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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg and with

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Christopher O'Brien we are going to have

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a great episode this week will tell you

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about more detail a little bit later but

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I want to talk to you about a couple of

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things Chris and first is the age-old

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discussion about whether there was some

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military disinformation going on

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particularly in the UFO field in the

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late 40s and possibly the 50s we think

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of it continuing until the present day

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but it goes back to say the more on UFO

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case where Kenneth Arnold goes to Tacoma

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Washington to investigate this case and

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all sorts of crazy things are going on

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now in respect to that there are some

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comments from Jerome Clark or a favorite

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UFO updates where he remarks there that

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Arnold wasn't the kind of person to

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really pay a lot of attention in terms

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of research and of course his first book

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his only book on the subject was the

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coming of the saucers which was partly

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authored by Ray Palmer but Palmer

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published the book and Palmer may be

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exerted a strong editorial hand to the

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first part of the book to place mildly

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yeah yeah same with Richard shaver

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well shaver especially because shavers

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writing style was very straight ahead

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very simple but he wasn't a fiction

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writer and Palmer of course was somebody

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who wrote science facts and science

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fiction and so he would take what he got

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from shaver which was a straight-ahead

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article and I knew shaver and I was very

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familiar with his writing style and he

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would take that and he would invent a

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pulp science fiction novel from the

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basic descriptions and everything yeah

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so your point is that Kenneth Arnold was

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embroiled in some weird sort of

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intelligence operation you know going on

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Ken Thomas's work and of course Kurt's

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work so

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build the bridge here for us well part

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of it is that some of the information is

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only supported by what Arnold said in

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the book that he wrote with Palmer and

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yes we understand the Curt southerly

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he died and everything in that book was

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confirmed on the other hand we wonder

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did Arnold really read the book or just

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assume that everything that he wrote

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down was translated in proper fashion by

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Palmer yeah not like good old bill burns

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and Philip Corso well you don't really

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have to wonder well you don't have to

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wonder because in that case there were

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complaints that maybe the editing was a

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little bit too strong yeah the addition

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of material I think would be more

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appropriate yes indeed and now as far as

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the government is concerned that takes

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us to part two of this discussion now on

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a couple of times in the power cast we

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featured James carrion and he is a

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former international director for MUFON

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the mutual UFO network and he and they

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had a falling-out and then he resigned

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shortly thereafter we talked to him but

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lately he's become more or less a

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skeptic about UFOs and his position is

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that some of the stuff that we read

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about supposedly craft with advanced

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capabilities in the newspapers

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particularly in the late 40s was not

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there to report a UFO sighting or some

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kind of strange event it was all about

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spooking the Russians about maybe the

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Americans are capable of all this

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advanced aircraft we shouldn't attack

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them yeah yeah you continue well I think

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that's the big part of it whether some

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of these sightings were of that and

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certainly to events we can say was this

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all some kind of government experiment

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with new aircraft one being the Roswell

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case and the way it was handled first

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it's a flying saucer then no it's

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balloons but maybe we wanted people to

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think it was a flying saucer then of

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course the Aztec case we have the book

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from scott and suzanne ramsey the book

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of course is called the aztec incident

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recovery in hart canyon and it goes into

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great amount of detail about what they

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but a lot of the book is also covering

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also the allegations that - the key

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figures in that case we're really just

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con men so it's so basically what you're

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saying is James carrion is falling down

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behind the assertion that perhaps many

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of these early forties events that have

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now become the thing of myth and legend

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practically in the culture could have

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been misidentified us exotic technology

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or it could have been deliberately fed

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to the newspapers nobody would say Oh My

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we've got all these science fiction

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movies of the 50s

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we have davier Stood Still we have it

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came from outer space all these movies

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that are forming part of our culture my

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heavens

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age he is here but really it wasn't et

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is here it is

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look Russkies look what we have yeah

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yeah I think at face value I I don't

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think that that that washes but if you

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add in the element of disinformation

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concerning potential exotic technologies

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at the u.s. maybe had been working on

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for those two years after the war then

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it becomes a little bit more believable

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in my mind as is it as a straight solid

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disinformation program just to fake the

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Russkies out if as it were I'm not sure

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if I if I if I would go there but

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piggyback on top of some sort of

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technological work that the US was doing

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with its paperclip

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scientists now Project Paperclip was

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interesting we talked about that in the

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previous episode where the German

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scientist is basically put in a little

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rolodex kind of card and they do the

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right thing they can work for us if they

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do the wrong thing they are exterminated

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with extreme prejudice yeah ooh well of

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course it's possible and easy oh yeah

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well of course remember that Ian Fleming

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was an intelligence operative in World

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War two and he uses experiences to form

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the character of James Bond but if we

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look at what was going on there

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to look at several possibilities that

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some of the aircraft were really secret

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weapons some of it was put there to give

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the impression that it's really et to

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cover the testing of secret weapons yeah

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exactly so it's basically if you look at

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all this stuff you look at Maury island

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as far as intelligence affair if you

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look at Aztec the possibilities of Aztec

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the possibilities of the Roswell case or

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anything else that was weird in the late

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40s well some of that may have been

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involving secret weapons but of course

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there are people nowadays who follow the

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case in Roswell and of course we can see

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this with a stick too with the Ramses

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and they would rather have us think it

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was really a tea it could not possibly

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have been some kind of government

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experiment you know I always go back to

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the Horton brothers and some of the very

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exotic futuristic designs that they

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the you know more exotic Horton fine

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wings and what Kenneth Arnold reported

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in June of 47 I think there's some

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really interesting similarities there

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and I think carrion may be on the right

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track was with his thinking however I I

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think he's kind of throwing the baby out

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with the bathwater I think there's more

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going on during that crucial time frame

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47 to 53 there's there's much more going

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on in those six years that can be solely

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debunked as as being you know the

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testing of exotic technology or some

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sort of disinformation program to you

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know do a sleight-of-hand trick with the

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Russians there the the Washington

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flyover in in what was it July 51 I

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believe or was it 50 I I forget that to

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me is a really important compelling case

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and I don't think that was us speaking

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of strange things we've got

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cryptozoologist JC Johnson joining us

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again and he and you and a number of

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other people were involved

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in an unusual trip with some very

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unusual discoveries very unusual indeed

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yeah you know a little disturbing

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actually gene disturbing I guess we'll

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have to find out why it's disturbing

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yeah well I hate to be the bearer of bad

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news but yeah we'll talk about it okay

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what did happen on that strange trip

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just a few weeks ago involving david

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gary david JC johnson we also wonder if

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you if you have a comment or question

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about the Peres cast sent it to news at

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that's news at the para caste calm and

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don't forget to visit our famous para

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para caste calm yes we have JC Johnson

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returning to the para cast so soon so JC

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the last time you were on that wasn't

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too much for you was it

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it never is never is I never seen me

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shut up either

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yeah I tell you dude you're great around

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the campfire oh we can hear stories

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about his campfire exploits but some of

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those stories may not be suitable for

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mainstream radio is that correct well

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actually I came away from our trip to

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the Grand Canyon

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I believe Chris O'Brien and David after

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Childress and mr. moody gave me two

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honorary PhDs I'm very proud of that one

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was a purely hard drinker and the other

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honorary PhD I got was pure homeboy

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determination so I'm really excited

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about that well I have to think that

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your degrees are probably more authentic

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than those of one or two people we

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mentioned on the parent ranch over the

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years yeah I always called myself a

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professor but to channel the late Long

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John Noble what kind of professor are

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you I am a professor of ignorance Wow

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you like that huh I like that right I

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want to get the story from your mouth

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instead of Chris is here you guys all

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hooked up a few weeks ago we had a great

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time

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few weeks ago and you have this great

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crew with you and everybody has been on

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the para cast before so these are old

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friends of ours of course you were

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blessed by the Indian fixture himself

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cliff it's gotta be his favorite line

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you know what else one of his stories he

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told me that I really got a kick out of

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his you know he's such a nice nice

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person down-to-earth person he had to

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come across some homeless guy I believe

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over in Albuquerque and the guy asked

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for some food and he brought in food and

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then he came back and brought him some

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more food and the guy needed some shoes

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and stuff like that and he kept telling

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mr. mahooty said those damn

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aliens keep coming in and taking my

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stuff now I need some more food and I

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need this and I need that

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so mahooty is kind of warming up to the

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guy and he thinks he's gonna get a

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really good story and he hooks up with a

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guy again brings him some more food

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look it's one of those damn

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aliens and he was talking about illegal

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aliens you see nowadays of course the

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term is illegals which can almost be at

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the jarred if it's almost insulting

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you're an illegal we don't pay attention

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to you and that's one of those

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politically incorrect statements but

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it's an interesting thing so JC you and

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the rest of this amazing crew which

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includes our own Chris O'Brien got

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together a few weeks ago what was the

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purpose of all I think pretty much the

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cats out of the bag we read back in the

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Arizona Gazeta believe it was 1909 a

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Kincaid two gentleman I believe he was

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with a Smithsonian Institution at the

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time was doing a solo trip down the

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Grand Canyon and he happened to look up

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after a particular Rathod and he saw

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some tailings which would tell him that

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there was either something being dug or

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some kind of mining activity going on so

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with great difficulty he climbed up

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about 1,600 feet above the canyon floor

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and he found a doorway and inside the

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doorway he found a Buddha like statue

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and some Egyptian things a kind of a

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multicultural underground city of course

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he didn't mention there were any

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inhabitants at the time but we don't

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hear too much more about it after that

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article in the paper but there's still a

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lot of intrigue and chris has known this

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gentleman who's done over 30 years of

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research and that's kind of how we

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zeroed in on a particular area to go and

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possibly get above where the doorway is

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and we were probably very close what we

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need to do is go back in from River

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level and have a ground crew on the top

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two and kind of synchronize what so we

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get to what we'll do is we'll take the

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raft down from Lee's ferry

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we'll drink beer for like two days and

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pee off the back of the boat until we

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get to the location but you guys tell me

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more detail how this started because

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we're just getting like well because

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it's it's really simple gene I as many

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of the listeners out there know one of

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my many hats that I wear is I'm you know

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a guide for private tours of Grand

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Canyon where I take guests from resorts

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and in Sedona spend a whole day ten

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hours with them take them up to the

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canyon we drive along the South Rim and

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I give them you know the quality and

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quantity of information that that's

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gonna make their trip a memorable one

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most people going Grand Canyon having

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been there and it's a lot of fun I've

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been up there almost 200 times and every

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time I get to the eastern most part of

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the South Rim within parks at Desert

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View I look across the confluence of

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where the Little Colorado Gorge comes in

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to Grand Canyon and then does an S turn

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and goes up to Lee's ferry and then up

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to the Glen Canyon Dam and I look across

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her and I wonder man it would sure be

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neat to go out there and stand right

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above the Sipapu boo Lima or the Sipapu

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which is one of the most sacred sites in

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North America arguably the most to the

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southwestern Indians the Hopi and Zuni

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in particular and down at the bottom of

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this 5,000 foot cliff about three miles

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upstream into the Little Colorado is the

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confluence of you know from the

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confluence of the the Colorado is this

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place of emergence it's a 70 foot

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travertine dome with a hole in the top

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it looks like the original design for a

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Kiva which is a you know a sacred space

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that Pueblo Indians do ceremony and

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stuff inside of underground and so it

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was my idea to to go out there with an

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expedition and a remote-controlled

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remote piloted helicopter with a video

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camera and do some aerial surveillance

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of the Sipapu area and then around the

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corner about four miles away this

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potential doorway that was discovered by

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si Jordan and GE Kinkaid back in 1909

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and do some survey in there and and just

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kind of get a sense of what that part of

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the canyon system is like having been up

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there so many times I just knew it was

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gonna be spectacular and I'm telling you

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when we when we got to that point and we

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were graced with this view from there it

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is

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hands-down the most incredibly gorgeous

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thing I have ever seen with my own two

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eyes

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and unbelievable it just it literally

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took my breath away and I've been to

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Grand Canyon almost 200 times like I

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said nothing prepared me for what we saw

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and unfortunately it was you know in the

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90s there was a 40 50 mile-an-hour wind

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blowing I was unable to get a pilot to

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sign off on the safety of the gear by

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you know flying a remote-controlled

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helicopter in those types of conditions

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so unfortunately on this trip we weren't

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able to do any sort of aerial

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surveillance although we'll talk a

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little later on if you want about an

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idea that we've come up with to to use

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the wind to our advantage use a giant

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box kite with a suspending camera but

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that was the that was basically Jamie

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the inspiration to do it and I just put

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put the word out to 2jc and of course

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david childress and his wife Jan and

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Imran Regehr and his wife dar and

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Clifford and Gary David you know our

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archeoastronomy friend and we went out

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there and it was very rigorous it was

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super hot windy I woke up every morning

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with my tent collapsed around me I'm

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never bringing that particular tent

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again you have to talk about the tent

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manufacturer or maybe find one who's

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willing to sponsor the show and give you

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good tents for exploration okay I won't

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mention Ozark man I guess we're not

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gonna get any advertising from that

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company what is it's one of those

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instant pop-up tents it pops up like an

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umbrella and it's great but it's not

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good in the wind I know not good in the

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wind no my low profile mountaineering

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tent for the next we'll be talking about

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cameras and strange happenings all with

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JC Johnson and gene and Chris you're in

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Chris O'Brien on some investigatory

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episodes but not this well we're talking

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about what happened we're trying to

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understand what happened when Chris and

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Jacy Johnson and David Hatcher Childress

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and all these people were exploring

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something in the area of the Grand

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Canyon and we're trying to understand

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what happened but we're trying to frame

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the background of this particular visit

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so you've got all these people together

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how'd you persuade all of them to

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participate Chris no I didn't have to

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persuade anybody I just put it out there

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as a suggestion everybody said hey count

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me in we agreed on a date and we made it

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happen

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Ron mogera showed up with to Chuck loads

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full of food and gear and as I was

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sitting there in the heat helping him

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unload I said Ron man you got everything

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in here but the kitchen sink and he goes

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oh no got one of those too sure enough

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he whips out a brand-new Cabella

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camp camp kitchen you know what we have

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a special section on camping equipment

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we can go off advertising especially for

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those who want to do these on-site

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investigations okay so you got the

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camping equipment this was meant

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therefore to stay there several days we

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were there for days okay and you're

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still here so you came back at least or

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May you know we did jay-z had to leave

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the morning of the the last day and so

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he wasn't there when Gary David Ron

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McGarrett Clifford and myself had our

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little journey overlooking the Sipapu

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area which was south of the area that we

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were just describing before right there

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at the confluence if you go upstream up

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the Little Colorado about two and a half

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three miles that's the location of the

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place of emergence on the river we were

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of course up above 4500 feet above but

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getting out there was a pretty rigorous

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and and the conditions out there are

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very very difficult there's no trees for

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14 miles it's

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very low a super-tough sage an absolute

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eggshell spiderweb of roads that you

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have to learn how to navigate by sheer

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intuition three pages of directions you

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guys had I think those ended up in the

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backseat this wasn't working turn left

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at the rock that looks like a bear and

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turn right at the bear that looks like a

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rock and yeah you know it's tough

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directions tough stuff I made it out

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there yes we did have a very interesting

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time on the last day though we really

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had a wake-up call one of the things

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that we were doing while we were out

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there it's all you know fine to be

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playing Indiana Jones and and you know

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or general faucet that Colonel faucet

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out there and in in the wild exploring

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for unknown cities and all that sort of

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thing but one of the other things that

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was foremost in my mind and in clifford

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mahooty mind was to conduct a ceremony a

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blessing ceremony and in his words an

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apology at the place of emergence above

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it and it was that last day that the

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four of us went out there that we

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stumbled on what I think is a is a major

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potential news story we had noticed as

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we were getting closer trying to find

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the nearest road that would lead us out

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to the rim subsequently we found out

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there really is no Road but we were able

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to get within two and a half miles of

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where salt Canyon comes into the Little

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Colorado River Gorge and we notice these

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very unusual helicopter flights and they

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seemed to be going down into the Little

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Colorado River Gorge which is a no-fly

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zone as we got closer I was able to get

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video footage of what appears to be a

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fairly sophisticated helicopter private

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it did not appear military but not

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talking about black helicopter no this

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is not I wanna to stir that particular

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00:31:24,210 --> 00:31:21,850
pot but know this this looked like to be

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some sort of construction helicopter it

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had what appeared to be about a 70 foot

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line

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and 50 to 70 foot cables slung

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underneath it and the first load we saw

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looked like a bunch of pipes that were

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being carried in by the helicopter down

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salt Canyon around the corner and then

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towards the Sipapu area in the Little

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Colorado River Gorge and I must say

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Clifford was quite horrified by this and

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as we got closer on the return trip one

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of the helicopters came within a mile of

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us as we were driving in immediately

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altered his flight plan and went down on

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the deck and then the next flight that

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we saw the one that I was able to

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actually videotape they were trying to

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sneak into the canyon out of our line of

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sight but we were just high enough so

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that we could actually see them about

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three miles four miles away diving down

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into the into the Little Colorado but

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entering a much sooner towards the head

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of salt and salt Canyon as opposed to

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flying five six hundred feet above it

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and then going down they were trying to

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sneak right down the the extension of

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salt Canyon down into the Little

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Colorado Gorge area and we instantly

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knew that by them altering their flight

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00:32:39,500 --> 00:32:37,650
plan and trying to you know on for all

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you know parents is trying to hide from

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00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:41,970
us we realized that there was something

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very suspicious going on and subsequent

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research has uncovered a rather dis main

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scenario right at the point where JC and

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I were describing the gorgeous view that

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we encountered that first day we went

766
00:33:02,990 --> 00:32:59,640
out there planning on building a casino

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with a restaurant and with housing for

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00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:06,840
workers in a 25 27 Mile Road to get out

769
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:09,120
there and then there's gonna be a mile

770
00:33:14,150 --> 00:33:11,370
and a half tramway that's gonna go from

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00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:14,160
the rim down to the confluence which is

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00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:15,450
right in the area of one of the most

773
00:33:21,220 --> 00:33:18,210
sacred sites in North America this has

774
00:33:24,830 --> 00:33:21,230
already been signed off on by the Navajo

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00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:24,840
who are custodians of this area even

776
00:33:28,790 --> 00:33:26,850
though it's a Zuni and Hopi sacred site

777
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:28,800
it isn't considered to be a sacred site

778
00:33:33,170 --> 00:33:31,530
by most Navajo but it is by the Zuni and

779
00:33:35,420 --> 00:33:33,180
Hopi it's their place of emergence it's

780
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:35,430
probably the most sacred site in the

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00:33:40,910 --> 00:33:39,360
southwest and much to our dismay and

782
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:40,920
consternation we have to

783
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:42,480
covered that this billion dollar project

784
00:33:47,540 --> 00:33:45,090
has already been signed off on by the

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00:33:50,330 --> 00:33:47,550
Navajo and it may be tied into a new

786
00:33:52,430 --> 00:33:50,340
water grab that's going on by the

787
00:33:54,980 --> 00:33:52,440
federal government getting in the the

788
00:33:57,500 --> 00:33:54,990
Indians to sign over water rights for

789
00:34:00,610 --> 00:33:57,510
the water in the Little Colorado and

790
00:34:02,990 --> 00:34:00,620
there's also talk of developing uranium

791
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:03,000
potential or uranium deposits in the

792
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:05,730
area and in this Clifford going out to

793
00:34:11,419 --> 00:34:07,770
do ceremony that day watching this

794
00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:11,429
helicopter activity it was really bummed

795
00:34:16,010 --> 00:34:14,730
out about it and at one point I said

796
00:34:17,950 --> 00:34:16,020
well cliff it doesn't look like we're

797
00:34:22,970 --> 00:34:17,960
gonna be doing any ceremony today and

798
00:34:29,020 --> 00:34:22,980
he's rattled off some highly naughty

799
00:34:32,150 --> 00:34:29,030
words and so basically so basically

800
00:34:35,180 --> 00:34:32,160
ceremonies with words that maybe we

801
00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:35,190
don't normally use under such as well

802
00:34:40,070 --> 00:34:37,169
commenting on why he wasn't gonna do the

803
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:40,080
ceremony yeah but his ceremonies are in

804
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:42,330
Zuni I'm not sure what some of those

805
00:34:47,180 --> 00:34:44,370
words mean but I sure I'm pretty sure

806
00:34:51,110 --> 00:34:47,190
they don't mean what he was saying in

807
00:34:54,919 --> 00:34:51,120
English also we've got the local chapter

808
00:34:57,620 --> 00:34:54,929
house up there down from the gap they

809
00:34:59,090 --> 00:34:57,630
are protesting this development and

810
00:35:00,860 --> 00:34:59,100
they're the Navajo and they're

811
00:35:03,260 --> 00:35:00,870
protesting it they're not going to sign

812
00:35:05,750 --> 00:35:03,270
off on it we're trying to stir up some

813
00:35:08,570 --> 00:35:05,760
other entities through the Zuni and the

814
00:35:10,580 --> 00:35:08,580
Hopi and so forth to try to raise a

815
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:10,590
little bit of Hell on this because once

816
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:12,810
again here's how this works with the

817
00:35:19,820 --> 00:35:16,050
tribe and I've been with the Native

818
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:19,830
Americans on the navajo side for over 22

819
00:35:24,410 --> 00:35:23,130
years and I know how the politics work

820
00:35:27,740 --> 00:35:24,420
you're probably going to get about five

821
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:27,750
guys in high positions with the tribe

822
00:35:31,970 --> 00:35:30,450
that are gonna become millionaires and

823
00:35:34,940 --> 00:35:31,980
then they're gonna offer a bunch of

824
00:35:37,130 --> 00:35:34,950
dead-end tourist jobs and they're gonna

825
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:37,140
push jobs the thing is there's nobody

826
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:38,610
out there they're gonna have to move

827
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:41,520
people out there to this area to work in

828
00:35:46,850 --> 00:35:44,490
this casinos last restaurant tramway

829
00:35:50,810 --> 00:35:46,860
everything else you know just some more

830
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:50,820
dead-end low-paying tourist jobs can i

831
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:52,890
fluff your pillow for you can I live a

832
00:35:56,060 --> 00:35:54,450
mint on your pillow we

833
00:35:58,579 --> 00:35:56,070
you know would you like fries with that

834
00:36:02,420 --> 00:35:58,589
it's a dead-end thing it's not gonna

835
00:36:05,060 --> 00:36:02,430
benefit anybody other than a handful of

836
00:36:08,210 --> 00:36:05,070
people and the developers and they've

837
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:08,220
already signed off on this so far but

838
00:36:13,210 --> 00:36:10,800
not completely so the case here is if

839
00:36:15,530 --> 00:36:13,220
there's money to be made from any

840
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:15,540
undeveloped lam the developers are going

841
00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:17,690
to be there and do something about it

842
00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:20,730
absolutely I don't think they have the

843
00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:22,800
complete greenlight to go ahead and

844
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:24,089
they've already seen the helicopter

845
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:26,250
activity they're dropping pipes down

846
00:36:29,210 --> 00:36:27,599
there you know they're gonna be pumping

847
00:36:31,550 --> 00:36:29,220
water up from the Colorado because

848
00:36:32,990 --> 00:36:31,560
there's no water out there I don't know

849
00:36:35,060 --> 00:36:33,000
where they're gonna get water for this

850
00:36:37,250 --> 00:36:35,070
resort we're gonna have to figure that

851
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:37,260
out and we're gonna have to look at the

852
00:36:41,150 --> 00:36:38,640
background of this area and to

853
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921
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959
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the power cast which I believe we have

960
00:41:25,660 --> 00:41:20,670
JC Johnson with gene and Chris and we're

961
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:25,670
talking about an unusual area located

962
00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:28,890
the rim of the Grand Canyon that

963
00:41:34,099 --> 00:41:32,730
developers are looking to exploit now

964
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:34,109
let's look at the background of this

965
00:41:39,140 --> 00:41:36,810
place here what is it about this area

966
00:41:42,620 --> 00:41:39,150
that makes it so fascinating in my

967
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:42,630
opinion it's the Grand Canyon in 3d it's

968
00:41:48,260 --> 00:41:45,930
the wraparound effect you are rapped by

969
00:41:51,290 --> 00:41:48,270
the canyon you're enveloped by the

970
00:41:53,329 --> 00:41:51,300
canyon the view on the other side I'll

971
00:41:54,319 --> 00:41:53,339
never go there again I'm done if

972
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:54,329
somebody says you want to go the Grand

973
00:41:57,849 --> 00:41:56,490
Canyon I'll say I'll take you to the

974
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:57,859
Grand Canyon

975
00:42:04,220 --> 00:42:00,960
you have to I've got the photos up on my

976
00:42:06,109 --> 00:42:04,230
facebook Jacy Johnson and it's public

977
00:42:08,839 --> 00:42:06,119
you know you can go there and just look

978
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:08,849
at the photos but it was really just the

979
00:42:11,660 --> 00:42:11,130
most amazing view I've ever seen and

980
00:42:13,970 --> 00:42:11,670
it's what

981
00:42:16,339 --> 00:42:13,980
breathtaking my knees got weak walking

982
00:42:18,380 --> 00:42:16,349
out to the point the first time when we

983
00:42:20,690 --> 00:42:18,390
got there I could not believe what I was

984
00:42:23,329 --> 00:42:20,700
seeing and we were making kind of funny

985
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:23,339
jokes you know if the tribe knew what

986
00:42:31,220 --> 00:42:24,690
they had out here they'd build a

987
00:42:33,079 --> 00:42:31,230
four-lane highway and put up a scene it

988
00:42:35,150 --> 00:42:33,089
isn't like we jinxed herself this has

989
00:42:37,250 --> 00:42:35,160
been in the works probably long before

990
00:42:39,049 --> 00:42:37,260
March when they said they started this

991
00:42:41,569 --> 00:42:39,059
it's been in the works for a long time

992
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:41,579
they're squeaking it legally I think

993
00:42:46,069 --> 00:42:44,130
there's it's highly dubious in my mind

994
00:42:48,970 --> 00:42:46,079
that the activity that I was able to

995
00:42:51,799 --> 00:42:48,980
videotape out there is legal this is a

996
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:51,809
very sensitive cultural heritage area

997
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:54,210
that's a no-fly zone because of the

998
00:43:00,260 --> 00:42:56,880
National Park I mean the reason why the

999
00:43:02,569 --> 00:43:00,270
FAA was formed back in the late 50s

1000
00:43:05,260 --> 00:43:02,579
early 60s was because of an airline or a

1001
00:43:07,789 --> 00:43:05,270
commuter jet crash over the Grand Canyon

1002
00:43:09,530 --> 00:43:07,799
which took ten years to clean up and it

1003
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:09,540
was right off at the point where we were

1004
00:43:15,890 --> 00:43:12,240
sitting that first day so there's some

1005
00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:15,900
legal issues here that I think come into

1006
00:43:21,410 --> 00:43:20,250
play and these guys they they're feeling

1007
00:43:23,210 --> 00:43:21,420
their oats because they're already

1008
00:43:26,270 --> 00:43:23,220
getting getting started on doing

1009
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:26,280
something there now Clifford brought up

1010
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:28,770
an interesting point which I'm not sure

1011
00:43:32,660 --> 00:43:30,720
at this point whether I would totally

1012
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:32,670
agree with him or not but I think it's a

1013
00:43:37,339 --> 00:43:34,410
very interesting observation that this

1014
00:43:40,460 --> 00:43:37,349
may actually be a cover for some sort of

1015
00:43:42,799 --> 00:43:40,470
development of the underground city that

1016
00:43:44,359 --> 00:43:42,809
was discovered in 1909 all right let's

1017
00:43:46,130 --> 00:43:44,369
talk about the underground city now

1018
00:43:49,099 --> 00:43:46,140
we're getting into the area where we may

1019
00:43:52,430 --> 00:43:49,109
have some paranormal aspect here what

1020
00:43:54,799 --> 00:43:52,440
underground city well JC did a good job

1021
00:43:58,099 --> 00:43:54,809
summarizing the actual claim of

1022
00:44:02,470 --> 00:43:58,109
discovery back in the spring of 1909 a

1023
00:44:04,849 --> 00:44:02,480
prospector and Smithsonian archeologists

1024
00:44:07,819 --> 00:44:04,859
allegedly stumbled on an underground

1025
00:44:09,260 --> 00:44:07,829
city that was very difficult to spot the

1026
00:44:11,329 --> 00:44:09,270
doorway you had to be in right in the

1027
00:44:13,130 --> 00:44:11,339
right spot to even see it

1028
00:44:15,319 --> 00:44:13,140
they climbed up there they went in they

1029
00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:15,329
found egyption and what appeared to be

1030
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:17,609
tibetan buddhist artifacts this is in

1031
00:44:24,859 --> 00:44:21,210
Arizona yes this is right underneath the

1032
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:24,869
area where we were exploring on the east

1033
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:25,490
side

1034
00:44:29,710 --> 00:44:27,410
of the Little Colorado River Gorge we're

1035
00:44:31,690 --> 00:44:29,720
at antlers Grand Canyon and there's a

1036
00:44:33,250 --> 00:44:31,700
doorway in Marble Canyon about two and a

1037
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:33,260
half three miles upstream from there

1038
00:44:38,589 --> 00:44:35,690
that supposedly leads into an immense

1039
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:38,599
underground complex that was it's not

1040
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:40,640
natural it was it was manufactured

1041
00:44:46,599 --> 00:44:42,770
supposedly mummies were discovered

1042
00:44:49,900 --> 00:44:46,609
statuary examples of obvious cultural

1043
00:44:51,849 --> 00:44:49,910
art from the far east this is where the

1044
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:51,859
story gets murky allegedly the

1045
00:44:56,470 --> 00:44:54,170
Smithsonian mounted an expedition and

1046
00:44:59,589 --> 00:44:56,480
went out there and spent three months

1047
00:45:01,780 --> 00:44:59,599
we don't have any sort of documentation

1048
00:45:03,820 --> 00:45:01,790
of this of course all this has been

1049
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:03,830
denied over the years people that have

1050
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:06,410
attempted to to backtrack this story

1051
00:45:11,770 --> 00:45:09,440
according to the Smithsonian nothing was

1052
00:45:13,870 --> 00:45:11,780
no expedition was ever mounted but there

1053
00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:13,880
are some reports that they did go out

1054
00:45:18,820 --> 00:45:16,640
there one report one rumor has it that

1055
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:18,830
they actually were able to remove 109

1056
00:45:23,609 --> 00:45:21,290
truckloads of artifacts Jack Andrews

1057
00:45:25,870 --> 00:45:23,619
who's an expert on this particular

1058
00:45:27,609 --> 00:45:25,880
interesting scenario claims that that

1059
00:45:29,980 --> 00:45:27,619
isn't correct that they never actually

1060
00:45:32,740 --> 00:45:29,990
were able to find the doorway again

1061
00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:32,750
which leads one to suspect that if this

1062
00:45:36,849 --> 00:45:34,730
story is true and if they did actually

1063
00:45:38,380 --> 00:45:36,859
stumble on this everything's still

1064
00:45:40,270 --> 00:45:38,390
sitting there and if that's the case

1065
00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:40,280
with our technology today with

1066
00:45:44,530 --> 00:45:42,560
ground-penetrating radar we know exactly

1067
00:45:46,780 --> 00:45:44,540
where the doorways are we know exactly

1068
00:45:48,250 --> 00:45:46,790
the length width breadth and depth of

1069
00:45:50,109 --> 00:45:48,260
this particular complex

1070
00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:50,119
according to clifford he has a hunch

1071
00:45:54,099 --> 00:45:52,089
that they may be down there a

1072
00:45:56,050 --> 00:45:54,109
combination of cleaning the place out

1073
00:45:58,960 --> 00:45:56,060
and expanding it for the mucky-mucks

1074
00:46:01,270 --> 00:45:58,970
when the Mayan calendar ends and why 2 0

1075
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:01,280
1 2 K happens and everybody else dies

1076
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:04,400
that somebody has already got a leg up

1077
00:46:08,650 --> 00:46:06,050
on going underground and being prepared

1078
00:46:11,620 --> 00:46:08,660
for these are changes supposedly about

1079
00:46:13,810 --> 00:46:11,630
to occur now that's obviously we need to

1080
00:46:16,359 --> 00:46:13,820
look at that with a big block of salt

1081
00:46:18,339 --> 00:46:16,369
but find it very intriguing that the

1082
00:46:20,349 --> 00:46:18,349
place of emergence should be just right

1083
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:20,359
there where supposedly an underground

1084
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:22,130
city is it's kind of hard not to put two

1085
00:46:27,099 --> 00:46:24,800
and two together and JC has a theory

1086
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:27,109
that it's been inhabited ok JC it's

1087
00:46:32,589 --> 00:46:30,290
there JC you're here I want to hear your

1088
00:46:34,420 --> 00:46:32,599
theory in full detail let's explain to

1089
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:34,430
our listeners we've got other stories

1090
00:46:38,380 --> 00:46:36,290
and different reports and things coming

1091
00:46:39,330 --> 00:46:38,390
out of the canyon where you virtually

1092
00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:39,340
walk

1093
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:42,250
through a canyon wall into an

1094
00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:45,610
underground as you will facility just

1095
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:47,920
walking through a holographic type Rock

1096
00:46:52,830 --> 00:46:50,170
structure you walk right in through it

1097
00:46:54,690 --> 00:46:52,840
and there's a lot of talk about that

1098
00:46:57,930 --> 00:46:54,700
with even the Native Americans walking

1099
00:47:00,060 --> 00:46:57,940
through a wall basically a wall and

1100
00:47:01,890 --> 00:47:00,070
there's people they're still in the the

1101
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:01,900
Hopi creation story we've got a

1102
00:47:07,710 --> 00:47:04,210
situation where they were kept

1103
00:47:09,810 --> 00:47:07,720
underground for a fire incident there

1104
00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:09,820
was fire going on so they were kept safe

1105
00:47:14,940 --> 00:47:12,250
underground and later there was an ice

1106
00:47:17,490 --> 00:47:14,950
incident and they were kept safely

1107
00:47:20,790 --> 00:47:17,500
underground by the ant people the and

1108
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:20,800
people yeah sounds almost like flash

1109
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:22,570
court and you had the clay people now

1110
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:23,680
you have the ant people

1111
00:47:28,980 --> 00:47:26,290
you also have the uncle people I don't

1112
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:28,990
know I'm sorry that's a bad one but I

1113
00:47:34,620 --> 00:47:31,210
couldn't help it okay explain who the

1114
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:34,630
ant people are they fed them took care

1115
00:47:39,290 --> 00:47:37,090
of them while they were being

1116
00:47:42,210 --> 00:47:39,300
sequestered underground for whatever

1117
00:47:44,370 --> 00:47:42,220
disastrous thing that were happening up

1118
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:44,380
on the surface and then they were let

1119
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:46,090
out and now they're out into the fourth

1120
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:53,170
world in this so this is an area rich in

1121
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:56,170
stories culture significance to these

1122
00:48:02,100 --> 00:47:59,680
Native Americans and they're gonna put a

1123
00:48:04,380 --> 00:48:02,110
resort and a casino there is that also

1124
00:48:07,350 --> 00:48:04,390
name JC that they're going to basically

1125
00:48:09,930 --> 00:48:07,360
destroy the underground city completely

1126
00:48:11,820 --> 00:48:09,940
or just build over it or what if I know

1127
00:48:14,100 --> 00:48:11,830
what I know of Smithsonian

1128
00:48:17,070 --> 00:48:14,110
if they can't put it in their little box

1129
00:48:19,410 --> 00:48:17,080
and explain it then they will put it in

1130
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:19,420
a box and they'll hide it that's how

1131
00:48:27,330 --> 00:48:25,330
they work we've got there's over 300

1132
00:48:29,310 --> 00:48:27,340
skeletons down in the basement of a

1133
00:48:31,170 --> 00:48:29,320
Smithsonian with the proper credentials

1134
00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:31,180
you can go down there and look at them

1135
00:48:35,820 --> 00:48:33,250
they're never gonna put them on display

1136
00:48:38,550 --> 00:48:35,830
because they're between 8 and 14 feet

1137
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:38,560
tall some of them are pushing 16 feet

1138
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:42,610
tall and they don't fit into their box

1139
00:48:46,860 --> 00:48:44,410
so they're just gonna leave them in the

1140
00:48:49,170 --> 00:48:46,870
basement the can explain it in our human

1141
00:48:51,810 --> 00:48:49,180
history where these giants came from

1142
00:48:53,050 --> 00:48:51,820
this is basement logic yeah basement

1143
00:48:55,090 --> 00:48:53,060
logic it's not even

1144
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:55,100
like a warehouse 13 warehouse 13 of

1145
00:48:58,840 --> 00:48:57,290
course is the sci-fi channel show you

1146
00:49:00,820 --> 00:48:58,850
know what I'm talking about where they

1147
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:00,830
have all these amazing artifacts of

1148
00:49:05,590 --> 00:49:03,770
history stored but those are living

1149
00:49:08,860 --> 00:49:05,600
artifacts almost here it's just like

1150
00:49:12,340 --> 00:49:08,870
hiding everything they're hiding lots of

1151
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:12,350
things lots of things and they're like

1152
00:49:17,230 --> 00:49:14,810
the original CIA you know okay cover

1153
00:49:21,490 --> 00:49:17,240
this Grand Canyon sign up we we don't

1154
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:21,500
want any foreign countries having claim

1155
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:23,930
to having been here long before the

1156
00:49:29,290 --> 00:49:25,850
Native Americans or anyone else we don't

1157
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:29,300
want this to get out so hide it we can't

1158
00:49:33,010 --> 00:49:31,130
have the ancient Egyptians in America

1159
00:49:34,690 --> 00:49:33,020
how could that be how could they get

1160
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:34,700
here how would they know we even existed

1161
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:37,370
didn't Columbus discover America oh wait

1162
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:40,130
the Indians were here first I don't

1163
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:42,530
think they were prone to be discovered

1164
00:49:47,500 --> 00:49:45,410
either wasn't a good time for him

1165
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:47,510
there's there's information Jean that

1166
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:49,850
you know cavemen from the South of

1167
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:52,010
France were able to come and across the

1168
00:49:57,010 --> 00:49:55,850
the you know the the ice floes that

1169
00:50:00,490 --> 00:49:57,020
we're all connected in the wintertime

1170
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:00,500
and off of northern Europe and ended up

1171
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:02,690
in America 20,000 years ago we know this

1172
00:50:09,090 --> 00:50:06,890
for a fact we have Silurian points and

1173
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:09,100
other artifacts that that absolutely

1174
00:50:16,180 --> 00:50:12,890
slam-dunk prove that European you know

1175
00:50:18,970 --> 00:50:16,190
cro-magnon man if you will you know

1176
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:18,980
cavemen actually we're in America way

1177
00:50:24,010 --> 00:50:20,960
before the landbridge theory which has

1178
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:24,020
been prevailing for 50 years now about

1179
00:50:30,100 --> 00:50:28,010
the the migration from Asia of the

1180
00:50:32,530 --> 00:50:30,110
Athabascan people down into America

1181
00:50:35,350 --> 00:50:32,540
12,000 13,000 years ago this is pretty

1182
00:50:38,530 --> 00:50:35,360
much sure there were waves of

1183
00:50:41,590 --> 00:50:38,540
immigration but we do know that there is

1184
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:41,600
evidence that has been verified of

1185
00:50:45,820 --> 00:50:43,850
earlier inhabitation here and there's

1186
00:50:49,060 --> 00:50:45,830
also evidence that suggests the Micmac

1187
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:49,070
Indians of southern Canada and the East

1188
00:50:54,430 --> 00:50:51,410
actually may have emigrated the other

1189
00:50:57,340 --> 00:50:54,440
way and developed into what are now

1190
00:50:59,650 --> 00:50:57,350
called today the pics the blue face the

1191
00:51:02,980 --> 00:50:59,660
diminutive beings of the northern

1192
00:51:06,070 --> 00:51:02,990
British Isles so you know as time goes

1193
00:51:06,820 --> 00:51:06,080
on and academia you know kind of lurches

1194
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:06,830
forward

1195
00:51:12,580 --> 00:51:10,130
inch by inch more and more of this

1196
00:51:17,260 --> 00:51:12,590
paradigm shifting information is being

1197
00:51:18,730 --> 00:51:17,270
accepted as as as mundane and we find

1198
00:51:22,570 --> 00:51:18,740
out more and more and I think this whole

1199
00:51:25,180 --> 00:51:22,580
idea of an underground city at Grand

1200
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:25,190
Canyon makes perfect sense when you look

1201
00:51:30,190 --> 00:51:27,770
at the oral tradition of the primordial

1202
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:30,200
cultures on this quarantine and Chris

1203
00:51:40,270 --> 00:51:32,210
with what 80 Johnson and that means

1204
00:51:43,300 --> 00:51:40,280
you're in the para cast are you tired of

1205
00:51:46,330 --> 00:51:43,310
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1206
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1207
00:51:52,150 --> 00:51:50,270
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1208
00:51:54,490 --> 00:51:52,160
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1209
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1210
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1214
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1219
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1220
00:52:19,810 --> 00:52:17,360
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1221
00:52:21,670 --> 00:52:19,820
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1222
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:21,680
grow cotton wheat fabric engraving

1223
00:52:25,150 --> 00:52:23,570
embeds strips and fibers to protect from

1224
00:52:26,980 --> 00:52:25,160
counterfeit and carding to a private

1225
00:52:28,690 --> 00:52:26,990
bank having a led back at interest

1226
00:52:30,550 --> 00:52:28,700
forcing taxes to service debt this

1227
00:52:31,990 --> 00:52:30,560
capitalism or was Jefferson correct when

1228
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:32,000
stating a central bank issuing the

1229
00:52:34,780 --> 00:52:33,650
public currency is a greater menace to

1230
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:34,790
the liberties of the people than a

1231
00:52:37,690 --> 00:52:36,530
standing army Ted Anderson on placing a

1232
00:52:39,700 --> 00:52:37,700
free silver dollar in a book that

1233
00:52:42,970 --> 00:52:39,710
explains our monetary system call for

1234
00:52:46,060 --> 00:52:42,980
your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time to

1235
00:52:49,630 --> 00:52:46,070
understand the system call 866 to 237

1236
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:49,640
that's 800 686 to 237

1237
00:53:03,650 --> 00:52:59,339
welcome back to the para cast the gold

1238
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:03,660
standard of paranormal radio and now

1239
00:53:09,450 --> 00:53:08,170
here's Jean Steinberg self the

1240
00:53:12,900 --> 00:53:09,460
developers have their way this

1241
00:53:16,230 --> 00:53:12,910
underground city may be shut from access

1242
00:53:17,999 --> 00:53:16,240
forever or hidden away that people who

1243
00:53:20,700 --> 00:53:18,009
want to explore what's going on there

1244
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:20,710
will not be able to or maybe they want

1245
00:53:26,279 --> 00:53:22,930
to just keep it for themselves I would

1246
00:53:28,829 --> 00:53:26,289
guarantee you if Smithsonian did abscond

1247
00:53:30,450 --> 00:53:28,839
all of the artifacts that they wanted

1248
00:53:33,509 --> 00:53:30,460
they probably would have floated him

1249
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:33,519
down the river to El Tovar and taking

1250
00:53:40,140 --> 00:53:38,650
them out by mule or what I think so and

1251
00:53:43,019 --> 00:53:40,150
when they were done they probably blew

1252
00:53:45,210 --> 00:53:43,029
the door again and you can't clean up a

1253
00:53:48,029 --> 00:53:45,220
mess like that I think we can get down

1254
00:53:50,999 --> 00:53:48,039
below with the information we have and

1255
00:53:54,569 --> 00:53:51,009
fairly well pinpoint and find this door

1256
00:53:56,789 --> 00:53:54,579
and we'll open it up again how close did

1257
00:53:59,839 --> 00:53:56,799
you get on this voyage that's where we

1258
00:54:02,160 --> 00:53:59,849
need to some other techniques some other

1259
00:54:04,470 --> 00:54:02,170
alternative techniques to kind of take a

1260
00:54:07,099 --> 00:54:04,480
look at some different situations and

1261
00:54:10,289 --> 00:54:07,109
Chris came up with a wonderful idea

1262
00:54:12,450 --> 00:54:10,299
floating a kite over the rim with a

1263
00:54:14,039 --> 00:54:12,460
camera and you can drop it down with

1264
00:54:16,410 --> 00:54:14,049
with all the wind current going on there

1265
00:54:18,539 --> 00:54:16,420
you could put a kite up there all day

1266
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:18,549
and drop it down below the rim and the

1267
00:54:22,829 --> 00:54:20,890
wind would keep it up and I think that

1268
00:54:24,809 --> 00:54:22,839
would be very interesting Chris with

1269
00:54:25,890 --> 00:54:24,819
anybody stop you from doing this or do

1270
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:25,900
you think you can get away with it

1271
00:54:29,759 --> 00:54:27,130
because this is really getting

1272
00:54:32,099 --> 00:54:29,769
interesting no there's no restrictions

1273
00:54:34,589 --> 00:54:32,109
for kite flying where'd you start here

1274
00:54:38,309 --> 00:54:34,599
flying a kite Ranger yeah

1275
00:54:39,720 --> 00:54:38,319
no laws against that okay no it's all

1276
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:39,730
you have to do is set it out there about

1277
00:54:44,430 --> 00:54:42,130
three or four hundred yards with a you

1278
00:54:46,650 --> 00:54:44,440
know operable camera that would pan tilt

1279
00:54:50,099 --> 00:54:46,660
zoom and you'd be able to map the entire

1280
00:54:52,620 --> 00:54:50,109
stretch going up stream from the from

1281
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:52,630
the confluence point this is sounding

1282
00:54:55,140 --> 00:54:54,130
fascinating I wanna look at the legends

1283
00:54:56,849 --> 00:54:55,150
here because every time we talk about

1284
00:55:00,740 --> 00:54:56,859
underground cities and underground

1285
00:55:04,259 --> 00:55:00,750
places I'm reminded of a discussion I

1286
00:55:06,180 --> 00:55:04,269
did an interview with a book that Tim

1287
00:55:08,049 --> 00:55:06,190
Buckley is coming out with which is

1288
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:08,059
basically reprinting the old hidden war

1289
00:55:11,499 --> 00:55:10,130
old stories from Ray Palmer about

1290
00:55:13,059 --> 00:55:11,509
Richard Schafer and of course we talked

1291
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:13,069
about all these underground

1292
00:55:18,099 --> 00:55:15,890
civilizations so do you think that if we

1293
00:55:20,140 --> 00:55:18,109
or for you because I won't do it of

1294
00:55:22,420 --> 00:55:20,150
course because I like to stay indoors

1295
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:22,430
when there are mysteries outside where

1296
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:24,890
people could be captured and that is if

1297
00:55:29,259 --> 00:55:26,930
you guys did this do you think you'd

1298
00:55:31,390 --> 00:55:29,269
find something living down there now

1299
00:55:33,429 --> 00:55:31,400
other than of course you know rather

1300
00:55:37,179 --> 00:55:33,439
wild creatures I think there's a

1301
00:55:38,439 --> 00:55:37,189
potential for some type of race to be

1302
00:55:40,569 --> 00:55:38,449
down there we've all heard the stories

1303
00:55:42,339 --> 00:55:40,579
about the Hollow Earth we've read all

1304
00:55:44,170 --> 00:55:42,349
the different reports the different

1305
00:55:46,929 --> 00:55:44,180
writings and things like that I mean

1306
00:55:48,999 --> 00:55:46,939
there's a really good basis for some

1307
00:55:50,949 --> 00:55:49,009
type of underground Society whomever

1308
00:55:55,900 --> 00:55:50,959
they might be of course it's those

1309
00:55:58,599 --> 00:55:55,910
damned aliens but there's underground

1310
00:56:01,059 --> 00:55:58,609
cultures I can guarantee you that almost

1311
00:56:02,709 --> 00:56:01,069
guarantee that just from the people I've

1312
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:02,719
talked to the people who've run into the

1313
00:56:08,620 --> 00:56:04,729
reptilians and things of that nature

1314
00:56:10,420 --> 00:56:08,630
that might be what these the the hopi

1315
00:56:12,519 --> 00:56:10,430
are describing as the ant people

1316
00:56:14,829 --> 00:56:12,529
well maybe describe more about the

1317
00:56:16,959 --> 00:56:14,839
legends that regard that particular area

1318
00:56:18,519 --> 00:56:16,969
what's been reported there you're

1319
00:56:22,329 --> 00:56:18,529
equipped of zoologists do we have

1320
00:56:24,779 --> 00:56:22,339
Bigfoot over there I'm not entirely sure

1321
00:56:28,059 --> 00:56:24,789
I think probably over on the North Rim

1322
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:28,069
there's activity over there I remember

1323
00:56:33,009 --> 00:56:30,410
one time we're about four miles up from

1324
00:56:34,890 --> 00:56:33,019
Lee's ferry heading up toward the dam on

1325
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:34,900
the Colorado

1326
00:56:39,039 --> 00:56:37,249
everybody get their maps out you know

1327
00:56:40,599 --> 00:56:39,049
let's do this here because of the fact

1328
00:56:44,380 --> 00:56:40,609
that we're talking about a specific area

1329
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:44,390
that is on the map more or less can you

1330
00:56:49,269 --> 00:56:46,729
tell our listeners to get out their maps

1331
00:56:51,309 --> 00:56:49,279
go to Google Maps or something and look

1332
00:56:53,109 --> 00:56:51,319
at this and then paint the picture that

1333
00:56:54,729 --> 00:56:53,119
they're going to see yeah we'll have

1334
00:56:56,199 --> 00:56:54,739
something up by the time the show airs

1335
00:56:58,029 --> 00:56:56,209
we'll have something up online we'll

1336
00:57:00,999 --> 00:56:58,039
have a map of the area so people can

1337
00:57:03,910 --> 00:57:01,009
refer to it okay go ahead JC well this

1338
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:03,920
Lee's ferry what my buddy and I used to

1339
00:57:09,279 --> 00:57:06,319
do is we would get down to Lee's ferry

1340
00:57:11,259 --> 00:57:09,289
and about the last time one of the rafts

1341
00:57:14,349 --> 00:57:11,269
came in and their motorized rafts they

1342
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:14,359
put the people in up at the dam up in

1343
00:57:16,269 --> 00:57:15,890
Page and then it'd run them down the

1344
00:57:19,239 --> 00:57:16,279
river

1345
00:57:21,710 --> 00:57:19,249
I believe it's 12 miles to Lee's ferry

1346
00:57:24,530 --> 00:57:21,720
from the dam well we would bring our Chi

1347
00:57:26,540 --> 00:57:24,540
Axanar canoes in hitch a ride after all

1348
00:57:28,820 --> 00:57:26,550
the passengers got off and we pay the

1349
00:57:32,060 --> 00:57:28,830
the people driving the boats in beer or

1350
00:57:34,099 --> 00:57:32,070
cash take us up to mile six or take this

1351
00:57:37,940 --> 00:57:34,109
up to my later you know take us upriver

1352
00:57:41,540 --> 00:57:37,950
and then we could kind of hang out in

1353
00:57:42,980 --> 00:57:41,550
one area and do a lot of fishing where

1354
00:57:44,839 --> 00:57:42,990
we could paddle against the current and

1355
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:44,849
get upriver a little bit we'd go up and

1356
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:47,490
paddle against there and then we were in

1357
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:49,530
really tight with the people who were

1358
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:51,570
doing the tour's down from the dam so

1359
00:57:56,270 --> 00:57:53,730
when they'd come by our campsite they

1360
00:57:58,849 --> 00:57:56,280
say the buffets at 10 o'clock tomorrow

1361
00:58:01,849 --> 00:57:58,859
at Mile 8 and we get there an hour early

1362
00:58:09,230 --> 00:58:01,859
and they would feed us and then we would

1363
00:58:11,540 --> 00:58:09,240
leave our that's when it starts so you

1364
00:58:15,349 --> 00:58:11,550
get basically a chance to sample

1365
00:58:17,870 --> 00:58:15,359
everything exactly right and we did all

1366
00:58:20,900 --> 00:58:17,880
this with beer beer is the currency on

1367
00:58:24,740 --> 00:58:20,910
the Colorado let me tell you it's a good

1368
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:24,750
currency you can be a bum up there all

1369
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:28,410
summer if you want to and you just you

1370
00:58:31,609 --> 00:58:30,240
just pay for your parking permit where

1371
00:58:33,980 --> 00:58:31,619
your vehicles out and you didn't you can

1372
00:58:36,970 --> 00:58:33,990
hang out on the Colorado River move from

1373
00:58:40,010 --> 00:58:36,980
Camp to camp there's anything good beer

1374
00:58:41,420 --> 00:58:40,020
whatever you can buy a page you don't

1375
00:58:44,780 --> 00:58:41,430
want to buy a new table because that's

1376
00:58:46,250 --> 00:58:44,790
3.2 percent beer you go into Arizona did

1377
00:58:48,050 --> 00:58:46,260
you ever think ladies and gentlemen on

1378
00:58:50,810 --> 00:58:48,060
the power cast you hear a couple of guys

1379
00:58:59,839 --> 00:58:50,820
talking about the best beer to buy to

1380
00:59:01,910 --> 00:58:59,849
explore the unknown yeah I miss it but

1381
00:59:04,670 --> 00:59:01,920
you know I've got more I guess I have

1382
00:59:07,190 --> 00:59:04,680
more responsibilities at this time but

1383
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:07,200
you can spend a month there and it

1384
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:09,210
doesn't easily it doesn't cost you much

1385
00:59:12,890 --> 00:59:11,250
now this trip that you guys took that it

1386
00:59:15,650 --> 00:59:12,900
stopped dead in its tracks when you

1387
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:15,660
realize development is going on or what

1388
00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:18,690
well that portion of it did yeah that

1389
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:20,880
final day we just you know we basically

1390
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:24,330
turned around and left we were quite

1391
00:59:30,230 --> 00:59:27,570
crestfallen but we did document the the

1392
00:59:33,050 --> 00:59:30,240
scene I think fairly well I am working

1393
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:33,060
on a YouTube video as we speak it's

1394
00:59:35,390 --> 00:59:35,040
going to be covering the journey well of

1395
00:59:38,420 --> 00:59:35,400
course

1396
00:59:43,190 --> 00:59:38,430
give the para caste you know first look

1397
00:59:45,500 --> 00:59:43,200
at it or on our forums but yeah this was

1398
00:59:49,309 --> 00:59:45,510
Clifford was not happy he was actually

1399
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:49,319
quite upset about this and and for good

1400
00:59:52,010 --> 00:59:49,770
reason

1401
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:52,020
I this is a very tenuous time period

1402
00:59:56,109 --> 00:59:53,970
that we're in there's lots of cultural

1403
00:59:59,390 --> 00:59:56,119
programming going on related to

1404
01:00:01,400 --> 00:59:59,400
potential earth changes and you know who

1405
01:00:03,740 --> 01:00:01,410
knows what could happen over the course

1406
01:00:05,870 --> 01:00:03,750
of the next year or two you know right

1407
01:00:08,450 --> 01:00:05,880
now we're in a very tenuous point and I

1408
01:00:12,289 --> 01:00:08,460
think in history and and this was not a

1409
01:00:14,089 --> 01:00:12,299
good sign to Clifford he really I can't

1410
01:00:16,730 --> 01:00:14,099
underscore this enough he was not a

1411
01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:16,740
happy camper that day we don't need to

1412
01:00:21,319 --> 01:00:18,480
have this kind of stuff going on and

1413
01:00:23,390 --> 01:00:21,329
there's an unfortunate that wherever in

1414
01:00:25,730 --> 01:00:23,400
the country there is a place where they

1415
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:25,740
can build a casino or a new housing

1416
01:00:29,839 --> 01:00:27,450
development but I have to wonder

1417
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:29,849
something here the housing industry is

1418
01:00:34,279 --> 01:00:31,770
in pretty bad shape developments in bad

1419
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:34,289
shape the economy is in bad shape why

1420
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:36,650
pick now to build something like this

1421
01:00:42,859 --> 01:00:40,410
the Grand Canyon's Rock in 24/7 I don't

1422
01:00:45,380 --> 01:00:42,869
think they've lost a whole lot I know

1423
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:45,390
they had some probably fewer visitors

1424
01:00:50,690 --> 01:00:47,970
during this recession but they're still

1425
01:00:52,430 --> 01:00:50,700
rocking 24/7 up at the grandkids they

1426
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:52,440
figured out the terraces built things

1427
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:54,930
will straightened out well kind of

1428
01:01:00,019 --> 01:00:56,490
interesting - you can have a luxury

1429
01:01:02,599 --> 01:01:00,029
resort next to an underground city okay

1430
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:02,609
guys time to evacuate or do you think

1431
01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:04,890
they're going to stage tours of the

1432
01:01:09,609 --> 01:01:06,720
underground city for someone who wants

1433
01:01:13,789 --> 01:01:09,619
to spend $600 or so per hour

1434
01:01:18,650 --> 01:01:13,799
you know profit-making organization yeah

1435
01:01:20,779 --> 01:01:18,660
it could could be you know potentially

1436
01:01:23,420 --> 01:01:20,789
looking for - is any kind of air shafts

1437
01:01:26,589 --> 01:01:23,430
or air vents or anything on the surface

1438
01:01:29,990 --> 01:01:26,599
and we came across some monolithic type

1439
01:01:31,430 --> 01:01:30,000
structures in a circle that we're kind

1440
01:01:33,500 --> 01:01:31,440
of scratching our heads over I'm gonna

1441
01:01:37,039 --> 01:01:33,510
be talking with Leonard down in chief

1442
01:01:40,099 --> 01:01:37,049
down he's been a geologist for over 35

1443
01:01:41,750 --> 01:01:40,109
years he's retired now but I'm gonna get

1444
01:01:44,569 --> 01:01:41,760
him in I'm gonna show him on Google

1445
01:01:46,670 --> 01:01:44,579
where we were what the area is because

1446
01:01:48,740 --> 01:01:46,680
he traveled all over the southwest as a

1447
01:01:51,700 --> 01:01:48,750
geologist inspecting bridge

1448
01:01:54,410 --> 01:01:51,710
and everything else he knows every inch

1449
01:01:56,420 --> 01:01:54,420
and he'll tell me oh yeah the Army Corps

1450
01:02:00,320 --> 01:01:56,430
of Engineers must have did that or he'll

1451
01:02:03,590 --> 01:02:00,330
say I don't know or he might know but we

1452
01:02:05,150 --> 01:02:03,600
saw some interesting Rock structures

1453
01:02:08,450 --> 01:02:05,160
while we were there that I can't

1454
01:02:09,170 --> 01:02:08,460
entirely explain or write off yeah

1455
01:02:11,750 --> 01:02:09,180
exactly

1456
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:11,760
of course our resident diffuseness

1457
01:02:15,710 --> 01:02:13,920
archaeologists said all was just a bunch

1458
01:02:18,860 --> 01:02:15,720
of guys in the 50s making a sheep pen

1459
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:18,870
but I didn't quite wash in my book all I

1460
01:02:22,820 --> 01:02:21,210
needed was a pickup truck with a couple

1461
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:22,830
of reels of barbed wire and some fence

1462
01:02:27,110 --> 01:02:24,090
posts and they could have had that thing

1463
01:02:29,450 --> 01:02:27,120
built in in a day three guys this took a

1464
01:02:32,350 --> 01:02:29,460
long time I mean there are t ton

1465
01:02:35,270 --> 01:02:32,360
possibly three ton stuff standing stones

1466
01:02:37,070 --> 01:02:35,280
as part of this particular very weird

1467
01:02:38,540 --> 01:02:37,080
enclosure that we discovered to talk

1468
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:38,550
about the weird enclosure and so much

1469
01:02:45,470 --> 01:02:41,250
more with JC Johnson and gene and Chris

1470
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that's news at the para cast calm and

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1578
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para cast calm so off-the-beaten-track

1579
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:13,990
from our usual coverage of ufos and

1580
01:07:19,470 --> 01:07:16,930
ghosts we're exploring the underground

1581
01:07:21,390 --> 01:07:19,480
city that may be no more or maybe used

1582
01:07:22,079 --> 01:07:21,400
as a place of refuge depending on your

1583
01:07:24,650 --> 01:07:22,089
point of view

1584
01:07:27,299 --> 01:07:24,660
JC Johnson cryptozoologists of course

1585
01:07:29,490 --> 01:07:27,309
gene and Chris exploring on the para

1586
01:07:31,710 --> 01:07:29,500
cast all right what is this strange

1587
01:07:35,370 --> 01:07:31,720
thing that you saw these large stone

1588
01:07:40,230 --> 01:07:35,380
thingies yeah uh just out of the blue

1589
01:07:42,630 --> 01:07:40,240
what is scouting to get out to the point

1590
01:07:45,329 --> 01:07:42,640
where the confluences and we came across

1591
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:45,339
this these structures one was a small

1592
01:07:50,910 --> 01:07:47,890
round structure yeah there was a large

1593
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:50,920
round structure I think Jerry David

1594
01:07:57,539 --> 01:07:54,010
measured 70 feet across inside of the

1595
01:07:59,160 --> 01:07:57,549
structure yeah was 70 long 50 wide yeah

1596
01:08:00,930 --> 01:07:59,170
just one of those scratch your head

1597
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:00,940
things you know I don't know we're gonna

1598
01:08:05,549 --> 01:08:03,250
find out so I think when I talked to

1599
01:08:08,309 --> 01:08:05,559
Leonard he's gonna give me the scoop on

1600
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:08,319
it we're going to have more information

1601
01:08:17,039 --> 01:08:14,650
as my producer wanted desperately to

1602
01:08:19,919 --> 01:08:17,049
come out there because we wanted to have

1603
01:08:20,700 --> 01:08:19,929
some you know some more audio equipment

1604
01:08:22,890 --> 01:08:20,710
and things like that

1605
01:08:24,900 --> 01:08:22,900
and my producer came down with a

1606
01:08:26,789 --> 01:08:24,910
situation where he had to go get some

1607
01:08:29,189 --> 01:08:26,799
medical care so he couldn't make it out

1608
01:08:31,229 --> 01:08:29,199
there he wants to return but when we

1609
01:08:33,450 --> 01:08:31,239
return we're gonna have everything we

1610
01:08:35,700 --> 01:08:33,460
need and we'll have a budget I love

1611
01:08:38,939 --> 01:08:35,710
about Jason we're gonna do this again

1612
01:08:42,180 --> 01:08:38,949
same cast of characters and probably a

1613
01:08:44,700 --> 01:08:42,190
couple of climbers experienced climbers

1614
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:44,710
who can free climb put ropes up the

1615
01:08:48,450 --> 01:08:46,810
works and we're gonna do it again we'll

1616
01:08:51,419 --> 01:08:48,460
do it again and one team will be on the

1617
01:08:53,010 --> 01:08:51,429
river coming up with the climbers and

1618
01:08:55,530 --> 01:08:53,020
the other team will be on there on the

1619
01:08:57,630 --> 01:08:55,540
rim exploring ahead of them with the

1620
01:08:59,189 --> 01:08:57,640
surveillance equipment yep we got it all

1621
01:09:02,189 --> 01:08:59,199
planned out but this was just an

1622
01:09:03,749 --> 01:09:02,199
exploratory situation with the world's

1623
01:09:05,729 --> 01:09:03,759
most amazing view

1624
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:05,739
what it comes down to and a really cool

1625
01:09:11,129 --> 01:09:08,130
campsite that we found at the boat yeah

1626
01:09:14,069 --> 01:09:11,139
the nearest trees gene are 14 miles away

1627
01:09:16,169 --> 01:09:14,079
and the last stretch of trees that we

1628
01:09:18,809 --> 01:09:16,179
could find near the areas where we ended

1629
01:09:20,309 --> 01:09:18,819
up setting up our base camp let me just

1630
01:09:21,839 --> 01:09:20,319
ask you here this involves a lot of

1631
01:09:23,879 --> 01:09:21,849
mountain climbing as part of this

1632
01:09:25,950 --> 01:09:23,889
because of a Grand Canyon connection

1633
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:25,960
yeah we'll all right I guess I can't

1634
01:09:30,839 --> 01:09:28,690
come eventually eventually I might come

1635
01:09:32,849 --> 01:09:30,849
in a helicopter that will save it you

1636
01:09:36,299 --> 01:09:32,859
know then again the the tribe might put

1637
01:09:38,339 --> 01:09:36,309
a tramway down to the door and you can

1638
01:09:40,169 --> 01:09:38,349
just take a tram ride down to it and go

1639
01:09:42,779 --> 01:09:40,179
inside the hidden city yeah I think that

1640
01:09:45,329 --> 01:09:42,789
sounds more like gene-gene speed thank

1641
01:09:48,180 --> 01:09:45,339
you okay but understand folks I am NOT

1642
01:09:50,039 --> 01:09:48,190
of this duo dynamic duo on the power

1643
01:09:52,169 --> 01:09:50,049
cast I'm the guy who stays indoors and

1644
01:09:54,089 --> 01:09:52,179
Kris goes out there and confronts the

1645
01:09:56,279 --> 01:09:54,099
danger this way at least one of us will

1646
01:09:58,379 --> 01:09:56,289
survive what we found strange also is

1647
01:10:00,120 --> 01:09:58,389
going out to that point and we're

1648
01:10:02,310 --> 01:10:00,130
calling it mahooty point now

1649
01:10:04,020 --> 01:10:02,320
so it's moody point going on to the

1650
01:10:06,299 --> 01:10:04,030
point there was a government vehicle

1651
01:10:09,149 --> 01:10:06,309
there Clifford said well that that looks

1652
01:10:11,189 --> 01:10:09,159
like it might be Park Service and it was

1653
01:10:14,370 --> 01:10:11,199
a GSA vehicle what is it government

1654
01:10:17,700 --> 01:10:14,380
Services Agency play exactly in each

1655
01:10:20,339 --> 01:10:17,710
type of play to the the type of numbers

1656
01:10:23,279 --> 01:10:20,349
indicates which agency or administration

1657
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:23,289
then it comes from in Audrey called in

1658
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:25,690
that vehicle in the license plate and

1659
01:10:29,310 --> 01:10:27,250
everything because we were concerned

1660
01:10:31,020 --> 01:10:29,320
that it was there you know at least two

1661
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:31,030
days when we were there was it I think

1662
01:10:35,189 --> 01:10:32,530
was there the third day you guys went

1663
01:10:37,620 --> 01:10:35,199
out also yeah it looked like it had been

1664
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:37,630
there at least a week so an officer from

1665
01:10:43,500 --> 01:10:42,610
to the city a friend of Audrey's Audrey

1666
01:10:46,649 --> 01:10:43,510
came out with us

1667
01:10:48,899 --> 01:10:46,659
she's a Sheriff's Posse volunteer out of

1668
01:10:51,540 --> 01:10:48,909
Apache County she does a lot of security

1669
01:10:53,879 --> 01:10:51,550
work and she's a good hand around camp

1670
01:10:56,069 --> 01:10:53,889
she's pretty good shot too so this this

1671
01:10:59,069 --> 01:10:56,079
all works out good so she called in the

1672
01:11:01,200 --> 01:10:59,079
GSA vehicle a friend of hers was on the

1673
01:11:03,180 --> 01:11:01,210
way out a to the city police officer and

1674
01:11:06,149 --> 01:11:03,190
they just got past where our camp was

1675
01:11:09,419 --> 01:11:06,159
heading out to the area and she got

1676
01:11:11,729 --> 01:11:09,429
called off of the call which was kind of

1677
01:11:14,580 --> 01:11:11,739
a strange thing oh you didn't tell me

1678
01:11:16,350 --> 01:11:14,590
that they called her off the call told

1679
01:11:16,830 --> 01:11:16,360
her to turn around and go to another

1680
01:11:18,060 --> 01:11:16,840
call

1681
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:18,070
and that somebody

1682
01:11:23,580 --> 01:11:20,530
was going to take care of it so some

1683
01:11:25,890 --> 01:11:23,590
some more weirdness for you okay

1684
01:11:28,140 --> 01:11:25,900
let's look more deeply at this place

1685
01:11:28,710 --> 01:11:28,150
here not just your trip the underground

1686
01:11:31,170 --> 01:11:28,720
city

1687
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:31,180
what about legends surrounding the

1688
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:33,130
underground city strange creatures stuff

1689
01:11:37,500 --> 01:11:35,050
like that what the history doesn't have

1690
01:11:38,970 --> 01:11:37,510
I've just been doing some reading from

1691
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:38,980
some different authors and some

1692
01:11:44,910 --> 01:11:41,410
different people who are talking about

1693
01:11:48,570 --> 01:11:44,920
folks who one particular case this

1694
01:11:51,510 --> 01:11:48,580
person rode a donkey down into the

1695
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:51,520
canyon to a point and the Native

1696
01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:53,650
American guide said from here on an I

1697
01:12:01,920 --> 01:11:57,130
have to blindfold you so this person was

1698
01:12:04,830 --> 01:12:01,930
blindfolded and then right going said

1699
01:12:08,340 --> 01:12:04,840
they walked right through the rock wall

1700
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:08,350
and inside was a room and there were

1701
01:12:13,710 --> 01:12:11,650
several doors and the guide knew which

1702
01:12:16,170 --> 01:12:13,720
door to go into and they went into this

1703
01:12:19,620 --> 01:12:16,180
door or they walked into a basically an

1704
01:12:22,230 --> 01:12:19,630
underground city that was lit there were

1705
01:12:25,230 --> 01:12:22,240
people there they say lit lit with what

1706
01:12:27,570 --> 01:12:25,240
fire liquid electrolyte artificial some

1707
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:27,580
type of you know artificial light source

1708
01:12:38,610 --> 01:12:29,170
something of that name like fluorescent

1709
01:12:40,620 --> 01:12:38,620
LED not quite like just it was lit it

1710
01:12:43,770 --> 01:12:40,630
was lit and there were people there and

1711
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:43,780
they were growing gardens they had food

1712
01:12:50,220 --> 01:12:45,930
they had everything they needed

1713
01:12:51,870 --> 01:12:50,230
underground it's just a story but you

1714
01:12:55,350 --> 01:12:51,880
know the person says this is what

1715
01:12:58,200 --> 01:12:55,360
happened believe it or not it starts to

1716
01:13:01,140 --> 01:12:58,210
sound like either an underground refuge

1717
01:13:03,030 --> 01:13:01,150
in case of some kind of natural or a

1718
01:13:05,900 --> 01:13:03,040
natural disaster on the surface or

1719
01:13:08,430 --> 01:13:05,910
another civilization living down there

1720
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:08,440
well and this isn't the only entrance

1721
01:13:12,330 --> 01:13:10,930
either I have a suspicion that there's

1722
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:12,340
more than one entrance to this

1723
01:13:17,310 --> 01:13:15,250
particular complex this is then the

1724
01:13:19,620 --> 01:13:17,320
normal public entrance that we are aware

1725
01:13:22,230 --> 01:13:19,630
of it's it's the only one that we're

1726
01:13:25,440 --> 01:13:22,240
aware because of the 1909 discovery by

1727
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:25,450
Kincaid and Jordan but I've been told

1728
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:27,250
and I've done quite a bit of research

1729
01:13:32,210 --> 01:13:29,530
about this particular aspect of South

1730
01:13:36,480 --> 01:13:32,220
you know Western Native American lore

1731
01:13:38,750 --> 01:13:36,490
and to the best of my research this

1732
01:13:42,300 --> 01:13:38,760
appears to be one of five different

1733
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:42,310
Sipapu pune ma in this in the Zuni I

1734
01:13:48,210 --> 01:13:45,730
think the Hopi is Sipapu knee and you

1735
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:48,220
know the Anglo white boy called you know

1736
01:13:55,470 --> 01:13:51,850
we call it the Sipapu there seems to be

1737
01:13:58,110 --> 01:13:55,480
at least four if not a fifth entrance

1738
01:14:01,140 --> 01:13:58,120
into some sort of antediluvian or

1739
01:14:02,940 --> 01:14:01,150
ancient tunnel system one is near

1740
01:14:06,170 --> 01:14:02,950
Bandelier National Park

1741
01:14:09,270 --> 01:14:06,180
another is up in the San Luis Valley

1742
01:14:13,770 --> 01:14:09,280
there's possibly an entrance near Mount

1743
01:14:15,420 --> 01:14:13,780
Taylor in New Mexico and it appears to

1744
01:14:17,580 --> 01:14:15,430
me I mean of course if you believe

1745
01:14:21,930 --> 01:14:17,590
Anthony Sanchez and Colonel Xers wanted

1746
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:21,940
dulce and that may be questionable right

1747
01:14:26,030 --> 01:14:23,650
but that's not just because that one is

1748
01:14:31,010 --> 01:14:26,040
questionable I mean all of them are

1749
01:14:33,300 --> 01:14:31,020
ultimately but there's enough of a of a

1750
01:14:35,510 --> 01:14:33,310
tradition and there's enough stories and

1751
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:35,520
legends that across tribal Trost

1752
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:38,170
cross-cultural that indicate that there

1753
01:14:44,970 --> 01:14:41,650
is some sort of ancient underground

1754
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:44,980
tunnel system that may branch off into

1755
01:14:49,710 --> 01:14:47,290
complexes underground now the US

1756
01:14:54,180 --> 01:14:49,720
government has the technical prowess now

1757
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:54,190
to map several miles down into the crust

1758
01:14:59,070 --> 01:14:56,170
of the earth so it stands to reason

1759
01:15:03,240 --> 01:14:59,080
since this technology became operable I

1760
01:15:05,910 --> 01:15:03,250
think in 1996 or 98 if memory serves me

1761
01:15:08,220 --> 01:15:05,920
correct one of the first places they

1762
01:15:10,140 --> 01:15:08,230
mapped was the Giza Plateau the second

1763
01:15:11,700 --> 01:15:10,150
place was the Yucatan Peninsula and the

1764
01:15:14,070 --> 01:15:11,710
third place was the Rocky Mountains in

1765
01:15:17,850 --> 01:15:14,080
the southwest so there's a good chance

1766
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:17,860
that if this technology is effective

1767
01:15:24,480 --> 01:15:22,090
we've already ID'd many if not most of

1768
01:15:26,490 --> 01:15:24,490
these underground passages or complex

1769
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and more of the underground passageways

1770
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you're anywhere else hear that George

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the voyage where well they ended up okay

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01:20:17,210 --> 01:20:15,510
they came back or maybe it's their

1859
01:20:20,030 --> 01:20:17,220
doppelgangers maybe they're still stuck

1860
01:20:22,730 --> 01:20:20,040
down there in the underground city I'm

1861
01:20:25,310 --> 01:20:22,740
so back with the ant people yeah yeah

1862
01:20:29,300 --> 01:20:25,320
definitely not the clay people I was

1863
01:20:31,130 --> 01:20:29,310
hoping the ant people oh I forget in

1864
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that Flash Gordon the cereal where they

1865
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met the clay people they were cured at

1866
01:20:37,070 --> 01:20:35,580
the end of the movie in Chapter 15 so

1867
01:20:39,290 --> 01:20:37,080
there are no clay people I guess they

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became the ant people they became the

1869
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ant people and they've been around for a

1870
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very long time I I believe they're

1871
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:46,620
terrestrial in nature and I don't think

1872
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:48,090
there's anything out there without an

1873
01:20:52,970 --> 01:20:50,850
affiliation if we're talking about those

1874
01:20:54,890 --> 01:20:52,980
damn aliens or if we're talking about

1875
01:20:57,530 --> 01:20:54,900
something else I don't think there's a

1876
01:21:00,830 --> 01:20:57,540
non affiliation you're either on the

1877
01:21:04,730 --> 01:21:00,840
side of good or you on the side of evil

1878
01:21:08,330 --> 01:21:04,740
so we have to you know obviously they

1879
01:21:10,190 --> 01:21:08,340
fed the hopi and kept them alive during

1880
01:21:13,700 --> 01:21:10,200
a cataclysm until they could return to

1881
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:13,710
the surface these are probably not a bad

1882
01:21:18,370 --> 01:21:16,410
entity they're probably a good entity

1883
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:18,380
they might not appreciate us trespassing

1884
01:21:23,750 --> 01:21:22,050
who knows well why are these people or

1885
01:21:26,770 --> 01:21:23,760
entities are we assuming they're

1886
01:21:29,480 --> 01:21:26,780
spiritual beings interdimensional beings

1887
01:21:32,210 --> 01:21:29,490
native to the earth just another race

1888
01:21:33,650 --> 01:21:32,220
that we're not in touch with or et

1889
01:21:35,990 --> 01:21:33,660
that's a good question

1890
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:36,000
we really don't know the the legends of

1891
01:21:39,590 --> 01:21:37,290
the Hopi and Zuni would indicate that

1892
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:39,600
they're always here there is indigenous

1893
01:21:44,570 --> 01:21:42,210
to this planet as we are but again it's

1894
01:21:47,390 --> 01:21:44,580
really sometimes it's difficult to look

1895
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:47,400
at an oral tradition in nuances within

1896
01:21:51,710 --> 01:21:49,530
that tradition and really be able to be

1897
01:21:54,890 --> 01:21:51,720
you know real definitive with how you

1898
01:21:57,200 --> 01:21:54,900
how you portray elements events and

1899
01:21:59,840 --> 01:21:57,210
players so to the best of my knowledge

1900
01:22:02,030 --> 01:21:59,850
these entities have always been here

1901
01:22:04,490 --> 01:22:02,040
just you know similar to to humans

1902
01:22:07,310 --> 01:22:04,500
they've got a job to do and if they're

1903
01:22:09,290 --> 01:22:07,320
working for a higher power and they're

1904
01:22:11,340 --> 01:22:09,300
working inside the earth they've got a

1905
01:22:13,050 --> 01:22:11,350
job to do and perform

1906
01:22:14,700 --> 01:22:13,060
there's a lot of different attitudes and

1907
01:22:17,070 --> 01:22:14,710
opinions about what's going on up at

1908
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:17,080
Dulce if we talk with Richard O'Neill

1909
01:22:23,100 --> 01:22:20,650
he's the local original Bigfoot man from

1910
01:22:26,220 --> 01:22:23,110
years ago and he's he's actually a

1911
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:26,230
doctor with dr. O'Neill and he's got all

1912
01:22:30,930 --> 01:22:28,570
kinds of credentials and certificates

1913
01:22:34,440 --> 01:22:30,940
but he seems to think what's going on in

1914
01:22:37,590 --> 01:22:34,450
Dulce is there is this particular race

1915
01:22:39,300 --> 01:22:37,600
of angelic principalities who have a job

1916
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:39,310
to do and they're underneath the Mesa

1917
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:41,290
there and they're just doing their job

1918
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:43,930
and we're a nuisance to them everything

1919
01:22:48,480 --> 01:22:46,090
in the universe we're the envy of

1920
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:48,490
everything in the universe because we

1921
01:22:53,850 --> 01:22:52,210
have free choice and free will and you

1922
01:22:57,630 --> 01:22:53,860
put everything together everything else

1923
01:23:00,750 --> 01:22:57,640
is kind of robotic and doing what they

1924
01:23:03,750 --> 01:23:00,760
were programmed to do doing their jobs

1925
01:23:06,450 --> 01:23:03,760
were the envy with the free will of the

1926
01:23:08,370 --> 01:23:06,460
universe that sounds great in theory JC

1927
01:23:10,910 --> 01:23:08,380
we really don't know that for sure I

1928
01:23:13,650 --> 01:23:10,920
mean people have been told this by

1929
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:13,660
supposed abductors and and that sort of

1930
01:23:18,330 --> 01:23:15,730
thing you do have some legends and and

1931
01:23:19,740 --> 01:23:18,340
mists that you could equate that kind of

1932
01:23:22,020 --> 01:23:19,750
thinking but we don't really know for

1933
01:23:24,300 --> 01:23:22,030
sure you have to admit oh absolutely

1934
01:23:25,890 --> 01:23:24,310
no no but overall just you know with the

1935
01:23:27,570 --> 01:23:25,900
reports the different people have talked

1936
01:23:31,170 --> 01:23:27,580
to you know the face-to-face type stuff

1937
01:23:33,750 --> 01:23:31,180
with different situations I kind of get

1938
01:23:36,450 --> 01:23:33,760
that feedback in that feeling and I if

1939
01:23:40,290 --> 01:23:36,460
we get into the alien aspect the greys

1940
01:23:43,140 --> 01:23:40,300
are not a nice group of beans and they

1941
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:43,150
have no pity no mercy and we're like Lab

1942
01:23:46,770 --> 01:23:45,250
Rats you know they're they're actually

1943
01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:46,780
robotic and what they're doing it you

1944
01:23:50,730 --> 01:23:48,250
know they're sticking a nine-inch needle

1945
01:23:53,010 --> 01:23:50,740
in your belly or they're removing things

1946
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:53,020
from your body and without anesthesia

1947
01:23:56,730 --> 01:23:54,850
you know there's a lot of things you

1948
01:23:58,350 --> 01:23:56,740
could look at and go you know this is

1949
01:24:00,720 --> 01:23:58,360
not a good thing

1950
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:00,730
not a good entity and there's probably

1951
01:24:04,860 --> 01:24:02,530
some entities out there that aren't bad

1952
01:24:06,480 --> 01:24:04,870
and they've got a job to do but are we

1953
01:24:07,050 --> 01:24:06,490
talking here about legend more than

1954
01:24:09,420 --> 01:24:07,060
reality

1955
01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:09,430
yeah potentially sure potentially

1956
01:24:15,180 --> 01:24:11,650
potentially better you know I this all

1957
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:15,190
is tied in to a lot of different things

1958
01:24:19,740 --> 01:24:17,410
and it all comes together and it all

1959
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:19,750
comes back around in a circle and when

1960
01:24:23,970 --> 01:24:21,970
you start connecting the dots it's

1961
01:24:25,230 --> 01:24:23,980
really fascinating well I guess we'd

1962
01:24:28,170 --> 01:24:25,240
like to connect some Don

1963
01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:28,180
about this underground civilization over

1964
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:30,130
there or this underground city what's

1965
01:24:34,890 --> 01:24:32,890
the name again well the actual place of

1966
01:24:38,700 --> 01:24:34,900
emergence is called depending on the

1967
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:38,710
tradition c-pop Puli mah-seeta pune or a

1968
01:24:45,030 --> 01:24:41,410
Sipapu doesn't fall easily from the

1969
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:45,040
tongue does it lots of guesses and peas

1970
01:24:49,470 --> 01:24:48,010
I think su Papua is like the easiest

1971
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:49,480
thing for us to say so

1972
01:24:55,440 --> 01:24:53,530
Pabu we'll call it that okay that's it

1973
01:24:58,320 --> 01:24:55,450
let's patent that name and get some

1974
01:25:00,300 --> 01:24:58,330
money when they start using it I wonder

1975
01:25:02,460 --> 01:25:00,310
what they'll call the eventual resort

1976
01:25:08,060 --> 01:25:02,470
there I'll bet you it's gonna be called

1977
01:25:11,460 --> 01:25:08,070
the Sipapu casino that's that's very sad

1978
01:25:14,670 --> 01:25:11,470
in that Grandma out there that lives out

1979
01:25:17,430 --> 01:25:14,680
there absolutely know where the Grandma

1980
01:25:20,580 --> 01:25:17,440
and Grandpa we'd stopped in the Audrey

1981
01:25:23,670 --> 01:25:20,590
gave grandma and her I believe her

1982
01:25:25,500 --> 01:25:23,680
granddaughter some sodas you know just

1983
01:25:30,390 --> 01:25:25,510
as an act of kindness because we kept

1984
01:25:33,570 --> 01:25:30,400
driving through their sheep camp trying

1985
01:25:35,940 --> 01:25:33,580
to get over to the ground and what's

1986
01:25:38,130 --> 01:25:35,950
gonna happen with those people their way

1987
01:25:39,900 --> 01:25:38,140
of life they're running sheep they're

1988
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:39,910
herding sheep that's all they've ever

1989
01:25:43,170 --> 01:25:41,170
known and that's what they're still

1990
01:25:45,410 --> 01:25:43,180
doing what's going to happen to those

1991
01:25:48,540 --> 01:25:45,420
people out there living traditionally

1992
01:25:50,220 --> 01:25:48,550
yeah roughly how many people were

1993
01:25:53,190 --> 01:25:50,230
talking about maybe a few hundred a few

1994
01:25:56,570 --> 01:25:53,200
thousand in that area not even I think

1995
01:26:01,680 --> 01:25:56,580
you Chris could tell you you probably

1996
01:26:04,410 --> 01:26:01,690
maybe a maybe a hundred but now they're

1997
01:26:06,900 --> 01:26:04,420
gonna get a four-lane highway and

1998
01:26:10,350 --> 01:26:06,910
they're gonna get the big city and

1999
01:26:12,750 --> 01:26:10,360
everything else universes if it's a

2000
01:26:15,480 --> 01:26:12,760
casino then they're gonna get all the

2001
01:26:17,820 --> 01:26:15,490
things that happen with casinos too out

2002
01:26:19,980 --> 01:26:17,830
in the middle of nowhere the riffraff in

2003
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:19,990
the middle of nowhere so they're

2004
01:26:26,430 --> 01:26:21,970
probably gonna have to build a detention

2005
01:26:27,900 --> 01:26:26,440
facility to detain people until they can

2006
01:26:30,210 --> 01:26:27,910
decide where they're gonna be sent to

2007
01:26:33,530 --> 01:26:30,220
you know or they'll ship from all the

2008
01:26:38,130 --> 01:26:33,540
Tuba City this all sounds terrible Chris

2009
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:38,140
well it's pretty amazing that a very

2010
01:26:38,970 --> 01:26:38,770
sacred

2011
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:38,980
you know

2012
01:26:45,300 --> 01:26:42,130
cultural heritage site can be sold to

2013
01:26:47,370 --> 01:26:45,310
the highest bidder and developed without

2014
01:26:49,830 --> 01:26:47,380
the cultures who don't have dominion

2015
01:26:51,570 --> 01:26:49,840
over the the actual land there but hold

2016
01:26:53,250 --> 01:26:51,580
its sacred having a say in it the Zuni

2017
01:26:56,100 --> 01:26:53,260
and Hopi don't have any control over the

2018
01:26:58,290 --> 01:26:56,110
area they've been doing pilgrimage is

2019
01:26:59,670 --> 01:26:58,300
there for thousands of years but it's

2020
01:27:01,890 --> 01:26:59,680
not on yet the other way you have

2021
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:01,900
political controls not on Indian lands

2022
01:27:06,150 --> 01:27:04,210
it is on Indian lands but it's being

2023
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:06,160
controlled by the Navajo who don't hold

2024
01:27:10,950 --> 01:27:09,130
the Sipapu as a sacred spot at least

2025
01:27:14,250 --> 01:27:10,960
most of them I know they're looking for

2026
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:14,260
commercial game then exactly but they're

2027
01:27:19,770 --> 01:27:17,130
also there's chapter houses and chapters

2028
01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:19,780
fighting the development on the side of

2029
01:27:23,490 --> 01:27:21,250
the Navajo so you got to give them

2030
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:23,500
credit there yeah that's true not all I

2031
01:27:29,820 --> 01:27:26,410
mean most of the Navajo as JC mentioned

2032
01:27:32,580 --> 01:27:29,830
at the top here most most of Navajo do

2033
01:27:35,430 --> 01:27:32,590
not benefit from some of these projects

2034
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:35,440
the coal mines the power plants the dams

2035
01:27:40,740 --> 01:27:37,930
the you know the strip mining

2036
01:27:42,750 --> 01:27:40,750
it's the controlling clans at the top

2037
01:27:44,700 --> 01:27:42,760
that get the money and it's kind of

2038
01:27:46,979 --> 01:27:44,710
Reaganomics you know they expect it to

2039
01:27:49,500 --> 01:27:46,989
trickle down but it doesn't it doesn't

2040
01:27:52,110 --> 01:27:49,510
and once again we've got some dead end

2041
01:27:54,930 --> 01:27:52,120
tourist jobs we can make beds and flip

2042
01:27:57,990 --> 01:27:54,940
burgers thanks thanks a lot

2043
01:28:02,550 --> 01:27:58,000
that's a wonderful career and we sold

2044
01:28:04,410 --> 01:28:02,560
out for these dead-end jobs I want to

2045
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:04,420
look more at the legends of the

2046
01:28:10,530 --> 01:28:07,290
underground civilization how these

2047
01:28:13,790 --> 01:28:10,540
places might been visited by the ancient

2048
01:28:17,190 --> 01:28:13,800
Egyptians and so on and so forth now

2049
01:28:19,500 --> 01:28:17,200
since then have there been regular trips

2050
01:28:22,530 --> 01:28:19,510
to explore what's going on inside or

2051
01:28:23,910 --> 01:28:22,540
what I don't think between my you know

2052
01:28:25,110 --> 01:28:23,920
Chris would tell you the same thing I

2053
01:28:28,470 --> 01:28:25,120
don't think we have any further

2054
01:28:31,260 --> 01:28:28,480
information about anyone finding the

2055
01:28:34,440 --> 01:28:31,270
door again or going back inside this

2056
01:28:36,780 --> 01:28:34,450
underground complex I don't think we

2057
01:28:40,229 --> 01:28:36,790
have any no information of that know

2058
01:28:41,850 --> 01:28:40,239
that anyone's returned to that area and

2059
01:28:44,910 --> 01:28:41,860
found the doorway and gone into the city

2060
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:44,920
we don't know that no-one's published

2061
01:28:49,530 --> 01:28:46,570
anything about it no one's talked about

2062
01:28:51,380 --> 01:28:49,540
it that seems strange though this kind

2063
01:28:54,260 --> 01:28:51,390
of discovery and no one

2064
01:28:55,970 --> 01:28:54,270
BRAC well yeah you know again there is a

2065
01:28:58,100 --> 01:28:55,980
rumor that the Smithsonian spent three

2066
01:29:00,710 --> 01:28:58,110
months out there but you know I have yet

2067
01:29:04,130 --> 01:29:00,720
to to really fully accurately verify

2068
01:29:05,570 --> 01:29:04,140
that we need to get Jack Andrews if

2069
01:29:07,460 --> 01:29:05,580
there's an interest out there in the

2070
01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:07,470
podcast audience there is a guy who's

2071
01:29:11,690 --> 01:29:09,570
been studying this particular scenario

2072
01:29:14,300 --> 01:29:11,700
for over thirty years about this in more

2073
01:29:16,100 --> 01:29:14,310
detail on our next segment if you have a

2074
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:16,110
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2075
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01:33:58,460 --> 01:33:56,910
this is a skirt 17 author you up on the

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street singer and listening to the

2184
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podcast if JC Johnson with Jean and

2185
01:34:08,600 --> 01:34:06,150
Chris on the podcast this week before we

2186
01:34:10,760 --> 01:34:08,610
broke we had to kind of interrupt you

2187
01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:10,770
there Chris you in the middle of a long

2188
01:34:14,570 --> 01:34:12,930
description maybe you can go on well I

2189
01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:14,580
was just saying that there's there's a

2190
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:16,890
gentleman with by the name of Jack Andes

2191
01:34:19,790 --> 01:34:18,090
from Sanders right

2192
01:34:22,610 --> 01:34:19,800
yeah they spent a considerable amount

2193
01:34:24,890 --> 01:34:22,620
time researching this particular mystery

2194
01:34:27,170 --> 01:34:24,900
he's made the most headway of anyone

2195
01:34:30,290 --> 01:34:27,180
that I know he's actually come up with

2196
01:34:32,810 --> 01:34:30,300
the grave of Kincaid that for many years

2197
01:34:34,160 --> 01:34:32,820
nobody knew where he was buried he may

2198
01:34:37,100 --> 01:34:34,170
have I think he's come up with some

2199
01:34:39,500 --> 01:34:37,110
pretty obscure interviews that he gave

2200
01:34:42,890 --> 01:34:39,510
towards the end of his life to a local

2201
01:34:44,660 --> 01:34:42,900
newspaper in Idaho and this is really

2202
01:34:47,540 --> 01:34:44,670
kind of lit a fire under me to find out

2203
01:34:49,460 --> 01:34:47,550
more about this particular wonderful

2204
01:34:52,060 --> 01:34:49,470
mystery you know I'm a sucker for

2205
01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:52,070
anything underground and mysterious so

2206
01:34:56,180 --> 01:34:54,090
this is something that I've actually

2207
01:35:00,080 --> 01:34:56,190
known about for quite a number of years

2208
01:35:01,730 --> 01:35:00,090
this whole underground Egyptian city you

2209
01:35:03,380 --> 01:35:01,740
know I've always wondered all you go up

2210
01:35:05,660 --> 01:35:03,390
to Grand Canyon and there's many

2211
01:35:10,250 --> 01:35:05,670
features that you see from the South Rim

2212
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:10,260
that have Egyptian names so I find a

2213
01:35:14,660 --> 01:35:11,610
very intriguing that there should be

2214
01:35:17,150 --> 01:35:14,670
accepted Egyptian names today in the

2215
01:35:20,390 --> 01:35:17,160
canyon is there an official explanation

2216
01:35:22,670 --> 01:35:20,400
as to why that is no not really

2217
01:35:24,200 --> 01:35:22,680
people say well that reminds me of the

2218
01:35:27,380 --> 01:35:24,210
Pyramid of Cheops so let's call it

2219
01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:27,390
Cheops they give an excuse well you know

2220
01:35:31,130 --> 01:35:28,890
the Rangers they don't know they're just

2221
01:35:33,320 --> 01:35:31,140
given the company line and they they

2222
01:35:34,460 --> 01:35:33,330
memorize it and they spout it off to the

2223
01:35:38,300 --> 01:35:34,470
millions of tourists that come there

2224
01:35:42,080 --> 01:35:38,310
every year we need to claim a stake to

2225
01:35:46,220 --> 01:35:42,090
mahooty point and you know put a sign up

2226
01:35:48,140 --> 01:35:46,230
mahooty point no trespassing we can't

2227
01:35:50,420 --> 01:35:48,150
come out here that will last about three

2228
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:50,430
hours yeah you know we'll get it

2229
01:35:54,230 --> 01:35:52,410
televised we'll have a satellite uplink

2230
01:35:56,240 --> 01:35:54,240
and we'll chain ourselves to one of

2231
01:35:59,150 --> 01:35:56,250
those century plants or something that's

2232
01:36:02,780 --> 01:35:59,160
blooming either on the canyon canyon rim

2233
01:36:04,130 --> 01:36:02,790
and get some good press I think we

2234
01:36:06,230 --> 01:36:04,140
talked about this we've been talking

2235
01:36:07,220 --> 01:36:06,240
about this Chris said you know this is

2236
01:36:09,350 --> 01:36:07,230
probably

2237
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:09,360
gonna get pushed through there's too

2238
01:36:15,320 --> 01:36:11,970
many interests there's too much money to

2239
01:36:19,700 --> 01:36:15,330
stop it but maybe with enough activism

2240
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:19,710
we can probably shame a few people and

2241
01:36:23,930 --> 01:36:21,810
you know at least make them feel ashamed

2242
01:36:26,360 --> 01:36:23,940
of this whole situation that's what I

2243
01:36:28,550 --> 01:36:26,370
hope for I don't think we can stop this

2244
01:36:29,780 --> 01:36:28,560
there's too much money and there's too

2245
01:36:32,170 --> 01:36:29,790
much money to be made

2246
01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:32,180
is there anything to hasten the

2247
01:36:36,410 --> 01:36:34,890
exploration to get what we can out of it

2248
01:36:38,840 --> 01:36:36,420
then we're going back and we'll have

2249
01:36:40,910 --> 01:36:38,850
proper permits as we did this time and

2250
01:36:43,220 --> 01:36:40,920
we'll do it again and we'll have permit

2251
01:36:46,010 --> 01:36:43,230
for everything we want to do as far as

2252
01:36:48,530 --> 01:36:46,020
an endeavor I want to find the door away

2253
01:36:51,610 --> 01:36:48,540
if it's if it you know if it's blown

2254
01:36:53,210 --> 01:36:51,620
we'll dig it out we're gonna find it I

2255
01:36:55,760 --> 01:36:53,220
need closure

2256
01:36:57,830 --> 01:36:55,770
usually I get you know I try to get

2257
01:36:59,750 --> 01:36:57,840
closure on things and if I don't it

2258
01:37:02,870 --> 01:36:59,760
bothers me so this is something we're

2259
01:37:05,570 --> 01:37:02,880
going to explore further with a with a

2260
01:37:07,310 --> 01:37:05,580
budget with everything that we need

2261
01:37:08,120 --> 01:37:07,320
we're gonna go back and we're gonna do

2262
01:37:10,160 --> 01:37:08,130
this again

2263
01:37:12,140 --> 01:37:10,170
this is gonna be with the same crew or

2264
01:37:16,040 --> 01:37:12,150
do we want to amount an official power

2265
01:37:19,370 --> 01:37:16,050
cast exploration trip of some sort and

2266
01:37:22,670 --> 01:37:19,380
Jane you're invited invited sir come on

2267
01:37:25,460 --> 01:37:22,680
up we'll have to talk about that Ron's

2268
01:37:28,460 --> 01:37:25,470
cooking is to die for he fed us very

2269
01:37:31,820 --> 01:37:28,470
very well one of the pie eating stuff

2270
01:37:35,630 --> 01:37:31,830
I'm gonna die no no seriously took good

2271
01:37:38,150 --> 01:37:35,640
care of us yeah wonderful chuckwagon did

2272
01:37:40,640 --> 01:37:38,160
a great job we'll chuck wagon everything

2273
01:37:42,170 --> 01:37:40,650
champ didn't think this is all this

2274
01:37:45,320 --> 01:37:42,180
stuff of course that we're now allowed

2275
01:37:48,470 --> 01:37:45,330
to eat it was healthy it was very

2276
01:37:50,570 --> 01:37:48,480
healthy yeah we ate healthy it sounds

2277
01:37:52,700 --> 01:37:50,580
like fun sounds like real fun I'm not

2278
01:37:55,010 --> 01:37:52,710
much on vegetables and there was lots of

2279
01:37:58,220 --> 01:37:55,020
vegetables and he made the vegetables

2280
01:38:00,170 --> 01:37:58,230
appealing to me well we can maybe you

2281
01:38:01,910 --> 01:38:00,180
can open up a restaurant over there you

2282
01:38:03,979 --> 01:38:01,920
know if they're going to have this

2283
01:38:06,530 --> 01:38:03,989
Casino and everything you could maybe

2284
01:38:08,180 --> 01:38:06,540
rent a concession and run the restaurant

2285
01:38:09,860 --> 01:38:08,190
you know this way on the side you know

2286
01:38:13,850 --> 01:38:09,870
you can do all the explorations on the

2287
01:38:15,140 --> 01:38:13,860
side but still have the restaurant and

2288
01:38:17,990 --> 01:38:15,150
make money from it to fund the

2289
01:38:18,530 --> 01:38:18,000
explorations think about that sounds

2290
01:38:20,130 --> 01:38:18,540
good to me

2291
01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:20,140
I don't know I think

2292
01:38:25,100 --> 01:38:22,890
who DS gonna be up there with firebombs

2293
01:38:30,710 --> 01:38:25,110
[Laughter]

2294
01:38:37,170 --> 01:38:33,840
it's very displeasing disheartening and

2295
01:38:39,180 --> 01:38:37,180
like I said we were we were making kind

2296
01:38:41,010 --> 01:38:39,190
of like a joke if if they knew what this

2297
01:38:43,350 --> 01:38:41,020
was here there'd be a 4-1 four-lane

2298
01:38:46,770 --> 01:38:43,360
highway out here with a with a resort

2299
01:38:49,110 --> 01:38:46,780
and we get back and guess what comes to

2300
01:38:51,990 --> 01:38:49,120
surface that's what's exactly is going

2301
01:38:53,370 --> 01:38:52,000
to happen so very very disheartening how

2302
01:38:55,890 --> 01:38:53,380
much time do you think you have a year

2303
01:38:57,180 --> 01:38:55,900
or two they're gonna crank on this they

2304
01:39:01,110 --> 01:38:57,190
already dropped and stuff down there

2305
01:39:03,300 --> 01:39:01,120
Chris saw a helicopter payload of piping

2306
01:39:06,750 --> 01:39:03,310
so they're probably gonna start piping

2307
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:06,760
the water up from the canyon yes

2308
01:39:12,270 --> 01:39:08,970
probably one of the first things they do

2309
01:39:15,120 --> 01:39:12,280
is get the infrastructure for for water

2310
01:39:17,370 --> 01:39:15,130
taken care of so they bring the water up

2311
01:39:19,140 --> 01:39:17,380
and that makes everything else work and

2312
01:39:21,660 --> 01:39:19,150
it greases the wheels to make everything

2313
01:39:24,660 --> 01:39:21,670
else go into place and they'll probably

2314
01:39:27,090 --> 01:39:24,670
have a purification system for you know

2315
01:39:29,190 --> 01:39:27,100
thousands of gallons per hour and that's

2316
01:39:31,620 --> 01:39:29,200
another environmental impact they need

2317
01:39:34,590 --> 01:39:31,630
to look at it's removing water from the

2318
01:39:36,210 --> 01:39:34,600
Grand Canyon that's there's so many

2319
01:39:39,180 --> 01:39:36,220
different things they need to look at as

2320
01:39:42,900 --> 01:39:39,190
far as an environmental impact standard

2321
01:39:45,930 --> 01:39:42,910
and I this this has to happen they need

2322
01:39:47,250 --> 01:39:45,940
to do the studies before they bring in

2323
01:39:49,440 --> 01:39:47,260
anything and they're already bringing

2324
01:39:52,440 --> 01:39:49,450
this stuff in Canon they complained to

2325
01:39:55,560 --> 01:39:52,450
the EPA the EPA is busy you know

2326
01:39:58,560 --> 01:39:55,570
stopping oil pipelines from being built

2327
01:40:00,390 --> 01:39:58,570
what about this we live in a fascist

2328
01:40:03,090 --> 01:40:00,400
Corp autocracy so I don't think that's

2329
01:40:06,240 --> 01:40:03,100
gonna help if they paid off they won't

2330
01:40:11,130 --> 01:40:06,250
do it if Ron Paul gets elected the EPA

2331
01:40:13,860 --> 01:40:11,140
is gone boom gone like that yeah I think

2332
01:40:15,300 --> 01:40:13,870
I agree it's bureaucracy we've got so

2333
01:40:17,690 --> 01:40:15,310
much bureaucracy going on

2334
01:40:19,980 --> 01:40:17,700
what greases the wheels is the money -

2335
01:40:22,740 --> 01:40:19,990
there's so much money to be made out

2336
01:40:26,070 --> 01:40:22,750
there I have a general question here how

2337
01:40:29,310 --> 01:40:26,080
many places like this are there in North

2338
01:40:31,260 --> 01:40:29,320
America this can't be the only one we

2339
01:40:33,939 --> 01:40:31,270
were talking about sacred sites being

2340
01:40:38,899 --> 01:40:33,949
desecrated yesterday Chris

2341
01:40:41,899 --> 01:40:38,909
go ahead Chris this is the granddaddy of

2342
01:40:43,790 --> 01:40:41,909
them all Jean Grand Canyon is number one

2343
01:40:45,859 --> 01:40:43,800
on the top seven wonders of the world

2344
01:40:50,689 --> 01:40:45,869
parentally every year it's voted number

2345
01:40:53,540 --> 01:40:50,699
one it it's not the longest canyon

2346
01:40:55,459 --> 01:40:53,550
widest canyon deepest Canyon but it is

2347
01:40:57,409 --> 01:40:55,469
by far the most beautiful Canyon that's

2348
01:41:02,659 --> 01:40:57,419
why it gets that that coveted number one

2349
01:41:07,250 --> 01:41:02,669
you know designation but it's it's such

2350
01:41:09,830 --> 01:41:07,260
a vast area and it's just overwhelmingly

2351
01:41:13,129 --> 01:41:09,840
large so you could conceivably get away

2352
01:41:15,439 --> 01:41:13,139
with with a development project like

2353
01:41:17,330 --> 01:41:15,449
this for a certain amount of time before

2354
01:41:20,209 --> 01:41:17,340
you'd be discovered or a word would get

2355
01:41:22,069 --> 01:41:20,219
out about it so you know it's really

2356
01:41:25,129 --> 01:41:22,079
unfortunate but it would be like putting

2357
01:41:28,699 --> 01:41:25,139
a you know a casino right in the middle

2358
01:41:30,890 --> 01:41:28,709
of you know st. Peter's Square or or

2359
01:41:34,449 --> 01:41:30,900
trying to put up you know a pulled-pork

2360
01:41:37,879 --> 01:41:34,459
outfit outside of the Kaaba in Mecca or

2361
01:41:40,699 --> 01:41:37,889
you know I could come up with all sorts

2362
01:41:44,060 --> 01:41:40,709
of you know ridiculous bad humor about

2363
01:41:45,500 --> 01:41:44,070
how you could actually equate this in

2364
01:41:49,399 --> 01:41:45,510
terms of other religions and other

2365
01:41:51,890 --> 01:41:49,409
belief systems this is the most

2366
01:41:55,669 --> 01:41:51,900
important sacred site

2367
01:41:58,850 --> 01:41:55,679
I think unarguably in the southwest and

2368
01:42:00,319 --> 01:41:58,860
to have such callous disregard for the

2369
01:42:03,350 --> 01:42:00,329
spiritual traditions of your Native

2370
01:42:05,569 --> 01:42:03,360
American brothers or cousins I I just

2371
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:05,579
find it reprehensible and it's really

2372
01:42:09,830 --> 01:42:08,010
unfortunate and you know myself and

2373
01:42:12,290 --> 01:42:09,840
others are gonna do what we can to at

2374
01:42:14,719 --> 01:42:12,300
least alert everyone that this is going

2375
01:42:16,520 --> 01:42:14,729
on but like JC said you know big money

2376
01:42:19,279 --> 01:42:16,530
you're talking about a billion dollar

2377
01:42:20,810 --> 01:42:19,289
project and once you get a ball like

2378
01:42:22,939 --> 01:42:20,820
that role and it's very very difficult

2379
01:42:26,179 --> 01:42:22,949
to to stop it from going down the hill

2380
01:42:28,850 --> 01:42:26,189
so all we can do is marshal public

2381
01:42:32,239 --> 01:42:28,860
support bring the scrutiny of the media

2382
01:42:34,819 --> 01:42:32,249
down on it and at least educate people

2383
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:34,829
that it's going on before it's before

2384
01:42:39,020 --> 01:42:36,570
it's a you know a done deal

2385
01:42:43,339 --> 01:42:39,030
and that's if we can get any mainstream

2386
01:42:46,879 --> 01:42:43,349
media to even look at this yeah I'd be

2387
01:42:49,819 --> 01:42:46,889
surprised if we could but maybe or you

2388
01:42:51,169 --> 01:42:49,829
know a program like 2020 or something

2389
01:42:53,899 --> 01:42:51,179
you know get out there with an in-depth

2390
01:42:55,850 --> 01:42:53,909
report on what's going on what's

2391
01:42:59,149 --> 01:42:55,860
happening and they're not supposed to be

2392
01:43:01,580 --> 01:42:59,159
doing this yet they haven't inked the

2393
01:43:05,120 --> 01:43:01,590
deal yet if they're already dropping

2394
01:43:06,830 --> 01:43:05,130
goodies down into the Little Colorado in

2395
01:43:10,310 --> 01:43:06,840
salt candy they're dropping stuff down

2396
01:43:12,199 --> 01:43:10,320
there yes not done yet yeah they know

2397
01:43:16,129 --> 01:43:12,209
it's done they already know it's gonna

2398
01:43:17,750 --> 01:43:16,139
happen they've already started well when

2399
01:43:19,909 --> 01:43:17,760
they changed they altered their flight

2400
01:43:22,750 --> 01:43:19,919
plan because we were out there I mean we

2401
01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:22,760
were the only humans anywhere near there

2402
01:43:27,709 --> 01:43:26,010
to our knowledge and when they saw us

2403
01:43:30,409 --> 01:43:27,719
there was no doubt in our minds that

2404
01:43:31,969 --> 01:43:30,419
they they then started trying to sneak

2405
01:43:34,429 --> 01:43:31,979
around out there with the with the

2406
01:43:36,399 --> 01:43:34,439
helicopter activity and they they

2407
01:43:38,089 --> 01:43:36,409
definitely changed their flight plan

2408
01:43:40,250 --> 01:43:38,099
because they were they were being

2409
01:43:41,959 --> 01:43:40,260
observed so that indicates to me that

2410
01:43:44,959 --> 01:43:41,969
they may be out there ahead of the curve

2411
01:43:46,609 --> 01:43:44,969
there may be some quasi illegal activity

2412
01:43:49,159 --> 01:43:46,619
going on we don't really know at this

2413
01:43:51,529 --> 01:43:49,169
point but we're making strides to find

2414
01:43:54,500 --> 01:43:51,539
out even if they were doing some type of

2415
01:43:57,799 --> 01:43:54,510
uranium exploration they don't have the

2416
01:44:00,489 --> 01:43:57,809
green light on that yet either you know

2417
01:44:03,469 --> 01:44:00,499
there's no green light nobody said go

2418
01:44:05,689 --> 01:44:03,479
nobody said go yeah well not that we've

2419
01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:05,699
found yet at least so anyway we can go

2420
01:44:09,319 --> 01:44:08,010
on to some more less depressing time I

2421
01:44:11,540 --> 01:44:09,329
certainly think we should talk about

2422
01:44:12,500 --> 01:44:11,550
character let's talk about let's talk

2423
01:44:14,689 --> 01:44:12,510
about centaur

2424
01:44:16,609 --> 01:44:14,699
centaurs oh yeah you're gonna love this

2425
01:44:19,520 --> 01:44:16,619
I've centaurs I'll tell you what we'll

2426
01:44:21,679 --> 01:44:19,530
have to do the break and let our

2427
01:44:24,229 --> 01:44:21,689
listeners wonder what we mean by

2428
01:44:27,439 --> 01:44:24,239
centaurs we also wonder if you won't

2429
01:44:29,509 --> 01:44:27,449
send us a tweet at the para cast the

2430
01:44:32,060 --> 01:44:29,519
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2431
01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:32,070
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2432
01:44:39,149 --> 01:44:34,090
you more important to search through

2433
01:44:40,620 --> 01:44:39,159
we are the GCM radio network hi Ted

2434
01:44:42,839 --> 01:44:40,630
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2435
01:44:45,030 --> 01:44:42,849
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2436
01:44:47,100 --> 01:44:45,040
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2437
01:44:49,680 --> 01:44:47,110
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2438
01:44:52,140 --> 01:44:49,690
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2439
01:44:54,510 --> 01:44:52,150
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2440
01:44:57,450 --> 01:44:54,520
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2441
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2442
01:45:02,520 --> 01:44:59,949
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2443
01:45:04,859 --> 01:45:02,530
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2444
01:45:07,339 --> 01:45:04,869
number today and again that's seven six

2445
01:45:09,780 --> 01:45:07,349
oh five six nine seventy seven hundred

2446
01:45:11,280 --> 01:45:09,790
hi this is Ted Anderson have you ever

2447
01:45:12,810 --> 01:45:11,290
wondered why banks stockbrokers

2448
01:45:14,700 --> 01:45:12,820
investment advisors won't talk about

2449
01:45:16,589 --> 01:45:14,710
gold IRAs they've been available since

2450
01:45:18,300 --> 01:45:16,599
nineteen eighty six yet the financial

2451
01:45:19,649 --> 01:45:18,310
industry won't recognize the value of

2452
01:45:21,540 --> 01:45:19,659
gold free retirement

2453
01:45:23,700 --> 01:45:21,550
gold has outperformed paper investments

2454
01:45:38,180 --> 01:45:23,710
yet no word about IRAs if you would like

2455
01:45:38,190 --> 01:45:44,270
[Music]

2456
01:45:52,310 --> 01:45:48,000
welcome back to the para cast the gold

2457
01:45:57,330 --> 01:45:52,320
standard of paranormal radio and now

2458
01:45:58,310 --> 01:45:57,340
here's Jean Steinberg and we have to

2459
01:46:02,459 --> 01:45:58,320
think here

2460
01:46:04,439 --> 01:46:02,469
centaurs we have Chris and JC Johnson

2461
01:46:05,100 --> 01:46:04,449
trying to confuse me that's what it's

2462
01:46:07,890 --> 01:46:05,110
all about

2463
01:46:10,140 --> 01:46:07,900
tell me more well we we jumped off the

2464
01:46:13,470 --> 01:46:10,150
Grand Canyon and we jumped on the back

2465
01:46:15,720 --> 01:46:13,480
of a centaur that's what we did okay so

2466
01:46:16,890 --> 01:46:15,730
we're going in a different direction I'm

2467
01:46:19,950 --> 01:46:16,900
starting to Chris about this yesterday

2468
01:46:22,379 --> 01:46:19,960
too he was talking about the Bigfoot

2469
01:46:24,299 --> 01:46:22,389
activity out in this area and I you know

2470
01:46:27,950 --> 01:46:24,309
I've actually gotten more reports of

2471
01:46:30,930 --> 01:46:27,960
centaurs than Sasquatch this spring

2472
01:46:34,740 --> 01:46:30,940
describe the center for this house half

2473
01:46:37,859 --> 01:46:34,750
man half horse okay they talk about the

2474
01:46:39,540 --> 01:46:37,869
Greek mythology sure we're talking about

2475
01:46:42,479 --> 01:46:39,550
wrath of the Titans or something like

2476
01:46:44,810 --> 01:46:42,489
that this is what the people are

2477
01:46:47,819 --> 01:46:44,820
reporting in one of the most interesting

2478
01:46:50,580 --> 01:46:47,829
reports and stories that's ongoing right

2479
01:46:52,589 --> 01:46:50,590
now and I'm digging deeper into it i'ma

2480
01:46:54,569 --> 01:46:52,599
try to get Chris down for it and we're

2481
01:46:57,560 --> 01:46:54,579
gonna go pursue these things on

2482
01:47:00,839 --> 01:46:57,570
horseback but there's a missionary

2483
01:47:03,390 --> 01:47:00,849
situation with I believe it's a Catholic

2484
01:47:05,790 --> 01:47:03,400
Church I'm getting more details but it's

2485
01:47:08,100 --> 01:47:05,800
on the Apache reservation and the

2486
01:47:11,069 --> 01:47:08,110
missionaries are being harassed and

2487
01:47:13,229 --> 01:47:11,079
terrified by a centaur that keeps coming

2488
01:47:16,109 --> 01:47:13,239
walking through the graveyard and

2489
01:47:18,870 --> 01:47:16,119
walking around the church I'm just gonna

2490
01:47:21,000 --> 01:47:18,880
stop I'm gobsmacked you know Chris said

2491
01:47:24,089 --> 01:47:21,010
yesterday goes that's crazy man I said

2492
01:47:26,459 --> 01:47:24,099
what the books you write and the guests

2493
01:47:28,979 --> 01:47:26,469
you have this program you're saying

2494
01:47:31,200 --> 01:47:28,989
that's crazy it's something that happens

2495
01:47:34,319 --> 01:47:31,210
out here quite often in one of the best

2496
01:47:36,959 --> 01:47:34,329
reports I got was a lady was working at

2497
01:47:39,629 --> 01:47:36,969
a convenience store out by Blanco and

2498
01:47:42,450 --> 01:47:39,639
some anywhere that is tour this news

2499
01:47:45,629 --> 01:47:42,460
Blanco is just outside of Farmington

2500
01:47:48,660 --> 01:47:45,639
near the Four Corners area it's heading

2501
01:47:50,669 --> 01:47:48,670
out toward Navajo dam which the san juan

2502
01:47:53,520 --> 01:47:50,679
river is dammed up and you have navajo

2503
01:47:55,439 --> 01:47:53,530
lake and then they have releases out of

2504
01:47:57,959 --> 01:47:55,449
the dam for the river san

2505
01:48:01,770 --> 01:47:57,969
River one of my most favorite places on

2506
01:48:04,229 --> 01:48:01,780
earth anyway we had a carload of English

2507
01:48:06,509 --> 01:48:04,239
tourists two of them were on the road

2508
01:48:08,160 --> 01:48:06,519
blocking the road they swerved and

2509
01:48:10,859 --> 01:48:08,170
missed them and there was another one on

2510
01:48:13,229 --> 01:48:10,869
the side of the road and they went into

2511
01:48:18,479 --> 01:48:13,239
this convenience store where this lady

2512
01:48:21,239 --> 01:48:18,489
was working and they were like you know

2513
01:48:22,319 --> 01:48:21,249
they were tore up about what they saw

2514
01:48:24,540 --> 01:48:22,329
and they said is this a regular

2515
01:48:27,299 --> 01:48:24,550
occurrence and the lady working at the

2516
01:48:29,279 --> 01:48:27,309
convenience store told him not not to

2517
01:48:32,969 --> 01:48:29,289
her knowledge was this something regular

2518
01:48:36,359 --> 01:48:32,979
that happened and another report just

2519
01:48:40,680 --> 01:48:36,369
outside of Farmington near I believe

2520
01:48:44,489 --> 01:48:40,690
water flow a road crossing during the

2521
01:48:48,379 --> 01:48:44,499
night this guy had a full view and it's

2522
01:48:51,479 --> 01:48:48,389
a really well-lit area too there's a

2523
01:48:54,209 --> 01:48:51,489
convenience store in another store

2524
01:48:55,469 --> 01:48:54,219
almost parallel to each other on the

2525
01:48:57,890 --> 01:48:55,479
highway and they've got a bunch of

2526
01:49:00,810 --> 01:48:57,900
lighting there and this guy saw a

2527
01:49:02,729 --> 01:49:00,820
centaur across the road and just haul

2528
01:49:04,919 --> 01:49:02,739
ass out of there take off and we're

2529
01:49:09,390 --> 01:49:04,929
talking about a full-sized horse with

2530
01:49:12,560 --> 01:49:09,400
the man's torso on it yeah okay but what

2531
01:49:16,759 --> 01:49:12,570
is really I want to get out to this

2532
01:49:20,219 --> 01:49:16,769
mission on the Apache reservation and

2533
01:49:23,370 --> 01:49:20,229
talk to these missionaries that are

2534
01:49:26,189 --> 01:49:23,380
being tormented by this centaur and do a

2535
01:49:27,899 --> 01:49:26,199
stakeout there now with this creature or

2536
01:49:30,149 --> 01:49:27,909
whatever it is shows up does it

2537
01:49:32,910 --> 01:49:30,159
physically have the power of speech or

2538
01:49:35,100 --> 01:49:32,920
does it growl what does it do I I don't

2539
01:49:36,930 --> 01:49:35,110
know and you know we've talked about was

2540
01:49:40,080 --> 01:49:36,940
there ever any vocalizations and I

2541
01:49:42,149 --> 01:49:40,090
haven't got any word back on that but

2542
01:49:44,729 --> 01:49:42,159
the heavy clomp clomp you know it sounds

2543
01:49:47,009 --> 01:49:44,739
like a horse running around when it's on

2544
01:49:50,250 --> 01:49:47,019
the pavement galloping on the pavement

2545
01:49:52,080 --> 01:49:50,260
it sounds like a horse so whether we're

2546
01:49:53,910 --> 01:49:52,090
dealing with something interdimensional

2547
01:49:56,759 --> 01:49:53,920
or something of that nature

2548
01:49:58,859 --> 01:49:56,769
it does take on a physical attribute to

2549
01:50:01,229 --> 01:49:58,869
make noise when it's galloping or

2550
01:50:03,410 --> 01:50:01,239
walking around now other than this

2551
01:50:07,259 --> 01:50:03,420
location where else have you seen them I

2552
01:50:08,840 --> 01:50:07,269
put a sketch up on Chris's page on

2553
01:50:12,920 --> 01:50:08,850
Facebook of us

2554
01:50:16,720 --> 01:50:12,930
Leonard Dan did of a centaur and it's

2555
01:50:19,760 --> 01:50:16,730
like a hairy man attached to a horse and

2556
01:50:21,260 --> 01:50:19,770
he's gotten reports himself this is

2557
01:50:25,370 --> 01:50:21,270
something that's been going on for some

2558
01:50:27,680 --> 01:50:25,380
time out here and I thought it unusual

2559
01:50:30,760 --> 01:50:27,690
that have gotten more centaur reports

2560
01:50:34,450 --> 01:50:30,770
than Bigfoot reports this spring

2561
01:50:36,770 --> 01:50:34,460
now is there a historical record of this

2562
01:50:38,750 --> 01:50:36,780
you would have probably different names

2563
01:50:40,070 --> 01:50:38,760
for it with the Navajo and you'd

2564
01:50:43,760 --> 01:50:40,080
probably have different names for it

2565
01:50:45,260 --> 01:50:43,770
with the the Hickey Rhea Apache and so

2566
01:50:46,690 --> 01:50:45,270
forth you would have different names for

2567
01:50:48,830 --> 01:50:46,700
this entity

2568
01:50:50,930 --> 01:50:48,840
I've never heard about it though I've

2569
01:50:53,240 --> 01:50:50,940
never heard of anything like this ever

2570
01:50:54,680 --> 01:50:53,250
anywhere it looks to me the picture the

2571
01:50:56,270 --> 01:50:54,690
drawing that you have on the Facebook

2572
01:50:58,640 --> 01:50:56,280
page is son Christopher O'Brien's

2573
01:51:01,070 --> 01:50:58,650
Facebook page if it'll accept your

2574
01:51:04,310 --> 01:51:01,080
request for friendship what you're

2575
01:51:08,780 --> 01:51:04,320
seeing here is what looks like a hairy

2576
01:51:12,500 --> 01:51:08,790
man hairy legs in the front and the back

2577
01:51:15,290 --> 01:51:12,510
is the horses back side and that's the

2578
01:51:17,630 --> 01:51:15,300
reports that Leonard got the other

2579
01:51:22,310 --> 01:51:17,640
reports something more along the lines

2580
01:51:25,490 --> 01:51:22,320
of a more human torso and less hairy but

2581
01:51:31,070 --> 01:51:25,500
long hair long hair on the human torso

2582
01:51:33,350 --> 01:51:31,080
attached to the horse he must have a

2583
01:51:35,140 --> 01:51:33,360
pretty good cosmetologist to who the

2584
01:51:38,030 --> 01:51:35,150
people that do the laser hair removal

2585
01:51:41,360 --> 01:51:38,040
he's gonna be screamin very big

2586
01:51:43,400 --> 01:51:41,370
treatment this guy sure yeah it's like

2587
01:51:45,860 --> 01:51:43,410
trying to pluck hair from a Bigfoot you

2588
01:51:49,370 --> 01:51:45,870
gotta watch out I mean you gotta really

2589
01:51:51,770 --> 01:51:49,380
be careful really JC have you ever heard

2590
01:51:55,010 --> 01:51:51,780
of this type of creature ever reported

2591
01:51:57,380 --> 01:51:55,020
prior to these these reports a few years

2592
01:52:01,220 --> 01:51:57,390
ago yeah a few years ago and then this

2593
01:52:04,880 --> 01:52:01,230
year has been a lot more active with

2594
01:52:06,500 --> 01:52:04,890
these kind of reports and it's something

2595
01:52:09,800 --> 01:52:06,510
I want to go check out I mean if you

2596
01:52:13,550 --> 01:52:09,810
take on a fin if you take on a physical

2597
01:52:15,530 --> 01:52:13,560
form then me and Chris O'Brien can run

2598
01:52:19,940 --> 01:52:15,540
these things down on a really fast

2599
01:52:20,950 --> 01:52:19,950
Mustang and rope it and bring it in yeah

2600
01:52:23,480 --> 01:52:20,960
dart it

2601
01:52:26,240 --> 01:52:23,490
I'm thinking a horse out there you can

2602
01:52:28,130 --> 01:52:26,250
get that's called silver they're making

2603
01:52:29,990 --> 01:52:28,140
a new Lone Ranger movie now by the way

2604
01:52:32,110 --> 01:52:30,000
so I guess to get the great horse silver

2605
01:52:34,340 --> 01:52:32,120
I need to chase after the scent or

2606
01:52:37,790 --> 01:52:34,350
Johnny Depp's been all over the

2607
01:52:40,100 --> 01:52:37,800
reservation all over Johnny Depp ladies

2608
01:52:43,370 --> 01:52:40,110
and gentlemen will play Tonto in the

2609
01:52:47,480 --> 01:52:43,380
next low Ranger Phil it's gonna be Tonto

2610
01:52:51,040 --> 01:52:47,490
without the pigeon English yeah it's

2611
01:52:54,890 --> 01:52:51,050
like what do you mean we white boy you

2612
01:52:59,600 --> 01:52:54,900
say Kemosabe none of that stuff you know

2613
01:53:03,740 --> 01:52:59,610
well once again Tonto is kind of Spanish

2614
01:53:06,380 --> 01:53:03,750
slang for fool and Kemosabe means what

2615
01:53:08,780 --> 01:53:06,390
do you know so I mean you know that's a

2616
01:53:12,460 --> 01:53:08,790
dysfunctional relationship with their

2617
01:53:15,770 --> 01:53:12,470
names right off it right off the start

2618
01:53:20,450 --> 01:53:15,780
dysfunctional makes Batman and Robin

2619
01:53:22,310 --> 01:53:20,460
look normal or the Green Lantern well

2620
01:53:24,110 --> 01:53:22,320
with the Green Hornet who was the great

2621
01:53:28,070 --> 01:53:24,120
grand nephew of The Lone Ranger and the

2622
01:53:30,980 --> 01:53:28,080
legend the Green Hornet Kato was the

2623
01:53:35,660 --> 01:53:30,990
modern-day equivalent of Tonto

2624
01:53:37,610 --> 01:53:35,670
yeah what thank you say mr. Britt played

2625
01:53:39,920 --> 01:53:37,620
by Bruce Lee in his first real major

2626
01:53:42,950 --> 01:53:39,930
role this was the TV series that only

2627
01:53:44,780 --> 01:53:42,960
lasted a single year and it was produced

2628
01:53:47,270 --> 01:53:44,790
for the same people who brought out the

2629
01:53:49,130 --> 01:53:47,280
1960s version of Batman with Adam West

2630
01:53:50,930 --> 01:53:49,140
and Burt Ward and now you know ladies

2631
01:53:53,000 --> 01:53:50,940
and gentlemen the rest of the story but

2632
01:53:55,490 --> 01:53:53,010
how this relates to centaurs I don't

2633
01:53:57,410 --> 01:53:55,500
know but you're saying here is that this

2634
01:53:58,850 --> 01:53:57,420
specific set of cases and maybe

2635
01:53:59,420 --> 01:53:58,860
something else you've heard is pretty

2636
01:54:01,250 --> 01:53:59,430
much it

2637
01:54:02,660 --> 01:54:01,260
it's not something that you go through

2638
01:54:05,540 --> 01:54:02,670
history and say let's look for the

2639
01:54:08,120 --> 01:54:05,550
centaurs no I don't think it would be

2640
01:54:11,120 --> 01:54:08,130
something ingrained in any particular

2641
01:54:13,640 --> 01:54:11,130
culture or society out here in the four

2642
01:54:15,590 --> 01:54:13,650
corners I don't think you know like you

2643
01:54:19,280 --> 01:54:15,600
know Bigfoot with the with the DNA the

2644
01:54:21,920 --> 01:54:19,290
Navajo they call him y8 so which means

2645
01:54:24,170 --> 01:54:21,930
giant hairy oath and he's also

2646
01:54:30,410 --> 01:54:24,180
accountable my wife says that about me

2647
01:54:34,360 --> 01:54:30,420
gene you do he also walks below the

2648
01:54:40,060 --> 01:54:38,380
right with with the Centaur I don't

2649
01:54:43,660 --> 01:54:40,070
think we have anything really ingrained

2650
01:54:46,180 --> 01:54:43,670
into the culture yet the scent is a

2651
01:54:48,990 --> 01:54:46,190
recent thing that's going on that's a

2652
01:54:51,670 --> 01:54:49,000
possibility just seen that's it

2653
01:54:53,380 --> 01:54:51,680
could it be some sort of island of dr.

2654
01:54:56,920 --> 01:54:53,390
Moreau experiment gone bad what do you

2655
01:54:58,570 --> 01:54:56,930
think my opinion on a lot of these

2656
01:55:03,760 --> 01:54:58,580
different things were we've got a

2657
01:55:05,800 --> 01:55:03,770
superior DNA combined with animals we

2658
01:55:10,200 --> 01:55:05,810
can produce something like a centaur or

2659
01:55:13,270 --> 01:55:10,210
a mermaid or something of that nature

2660
01:55:16,500 --> 01:55:13,280
yeah talk about the the mermaid sighting

2661
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or the Merman citing what Lake was on

2662
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Morgan liking what it is it's a hot -

2663
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2664
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about mermaids and not about Daryl

2665
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2666
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2742
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2771
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2772
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2776
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forum dot the podcast.com now let's say

2777
02:00:03,370 --> 02:00:00,380
we started with the underground

2778
02:00:04,839 --> 02:00:03,380
civilization that will be overwhelmed

2779
02:00:07,389 --> 02:00:04,849
with an Indian casino

2780
02:00:10,569 --> 02:00:07,399
we have centaurs we have mermaids and

2781
02:00:12,969 --> 02:00:10,579
mermen alright we are with Jane and

2782
02:00:15,939 --> 02:00:12,979
Chris we have cryptozoologists Jacy

2783
02:00:18,520 --> 02:00:15,949
Johnson Jacy tell us more about the

2784
02:00:22,149 --> 02:00:18,530
mermaids and the mermen we've got a hot

2785
02:00:24,790 --> 02:00:22,159
pool which is a cooling tower there's a

2786
02:00:27,969 --> 02:00:24,800
there's a coal burning plant out here in

2787
02:00:30,850 --> 02:00:27,979
the Farmington and the name of the lake

2788
02:00:33,879 --> 02:00:30,860
is Morgan lake and they pumped the water

2789
02:00:35,799 --> 02:00:33,889
through to cool the coal burning type

2790
02:00:39,419 --> 02:00:35,809
situations that they're generating power

2791
02:00:42,580 --> 02:00:39,429
with so the temperature of the lake in

2792
02:00:45,549 --> 02:00:42,590
some places of 90 degrees other places

2793
02:00:48,729 --> 02:00:45,559
that's probably you know low 80s high

2794
02:00:51,850 --> 02:00:48,739
70s depending on how far away you get

2795
02:00:53,169 --> 02:00:51,860
from the plant had a Navajo couple out

2796
02:00:54,729 --> 02:00:53,179
there and they were in a fishing boat

2797
02:00:57,939 --> 02:00:54,739
and I believe they had like a 5-horse

2798
02:01:00,790 --> 02:00:57,949
motor which you know on a standard 12

2799
02:01:04,029 --> 02:01:00,800
foot fishing boat they could probably

2800
02:01:07,330 --> 02:01:04,039
crank along at about maybe 12 15 miles

2801
02:01:09,639 --> 02:01:07,340
per hour they came across something

2802
02:01:12,729 --> 02:01:09,649
underneath the water that was intriguing

2803
02:01:15,850 --> 02:01:12,739
to them covered in scales but it had a

2804
02:01:19,899 --> 02:01:15,860
human form and it was swimming like

2805
02:01:22,779 --> 02:01:19,909
Aquaman and they gave pursuit started

2806
02:01:25,120 --> 02:01:22,789
pursuing this swimming thing and it was

2807
02:01:28,449 --> 02:01:25,130
Willy hauling butt and there's a fresh

2808
02:01:30,370 --> 02:01:28,459
water system that's brought in from the

2809
02:01:33,219 --> 02:01:30,380
San Juan where they can really crank

2810
02:01:35,770 --> 02:01:33,229
some water and to fill the lake up and

2811
02:01:37,959 --> 02:01:35,780
it went into the freshwater Channel and

2812
02:01:39,580 --> 02:01:37,969
they're up board couldn't go up any

2813
02:01:41,560 --> 02:01:39,590
further that's as far as it could get

2814
02:01:43,509 --> 02:01:41,570
and that's where the mermen escaped but

2815
02:01:45,939 --> 02:01:43,519
they were right on top of this guy and

2816
02:01:49,270 --> 02:01:45,949
he was barely in front of them as they

2817
02:01:52,299 --> 02:01:49,280
were pursuing the swimming mermen till

2818
02:01:54,189 --> 02:01:52,309
you come to the freshwater channel did

2819
02:01:58,299 --> 02:01:54,199
they describe it as having like a fish

2820
02:01:59,090 --> 02:01:58,309
tail like your tomorrow yes yes yes but

2821
02:02:06,800 --> 02:01:59,100
there was a

2822
02:02:08,780 --> 02:02:06,810
man was you know cranking along you know

2823
02:02:10,760 --> 02:02:08,790
twelve fifty miles per hour underwater

2824
02:02:12,800 --> 02:02:10,770
that's pretty quick so I mean I don't

2825
02:02:15,740 --> 02:02:12,810
think they were on top of a diver and

2826
02:02:18,590 --> 02:02:15,750
some unusual suit I'm I'm taking them

2827
02:02:20,690 --> 02:02:18,600
for what they saw have you ever had any

2828
02:02:22,520 --> 02:02:20,700
reports like this before of aquatic

2829
02:02:25,460 --> 02:02:22,530
humanoid forms when we get into a

2830
02:02:30,110 --> 02:02:25,470
different situation there's a snake girl

2831
02:02:32,780 --> 02:02:30,120
or snake people and they swim in schools

2832
02:02:35,360 --> 02:02:32,790
on the San Juan River now that might be

2833
02:02:38,090 --> 02:02:35,370
the mermaid mermaid kind of situation

2834
02:02:41,990 --> 02:02:38,100
only being described differently by the

2835
02:02:45,100 --> 02:02:42,000
locals as snake people also told that

2836
02:02:48,710 --> 02:02:45,110
the snake woman snake girl snake people

2837
02:02:51,350 --> 02:02:48,720
sometimes submerge themselves in water

2838
02:02:55,010 --> 02:02:51,360
holes out in the desert and wait for

2839
02:02:56,960 --> 02:02:55,020
livestock to come and drink or wild

2840
02:02:59,630 --> 02:02:56,970
animals like deer and so forth to come

2841
02:03:01,190 --> 02:02:59,640
and drinking and they harvest them jump

2842
02:03:05,020 --> 02:03:01,200
up out of the water and kill them and

2843
02:03:06,940 --> 02:03:05,030
eat them that would ruin my fishing trip

2844
02:03:09,830 --> 02:03:06,950
[Laughter]

2845
02:03:11,630 --> 02:03:09,840
imagine me cruising down the river in my

2846
02:03:15,230 --> 02:03:11,640
12-foot kayak thinking about all this

2847
02:03:17,720 --> 02:03:15,240
stuff okay I've got giant snakes that

2848
02:03:21,010 --> 02:03:17,730
could probably swallow my boat anaconda

2849
02:03:25,790 --> 02:03:21,020
snake girl and I've got merpeople

2850
02:03:27,530 --> 02:03:25,800
this is all a great time and this murky

2851
02:03:30,560 --> 02:03:27,540
water is gonna cover up anything that's

2852
02:03:32,330 --> 02:03:30,570
down there as far as mermaid legends

2853
02:03:35,000 --> 02:03:32,340
anything else around the world that

2854
02:03:37,970 --> 02:03:35,010
you've looked into not really no in

2855
02:03:41,570 --> 02:03:37,980
theirs it's it goes it goes a long ways

2856
02:03:44,630 --> 02:03:41,580
back and it goes back to I believe a DNA

2857
02:03:48,470 --> 02:03:44,640
manipulation in my opinion it goes back

2858
02:03:51,470 --> 02:03:48,480
to Genesis 6 well DNA manipulation says

2859
02:03:54,680 --> 02:03:51,480
et came here and was having a little bit

2860
02:03:56,960 --> 02:03:54,690
of fun with us well that's what I told

2861
02:03:59,150 --> 02:03:56,970
David hatch your children run the

2862
02:04:02,000 --> 02:03:59,160
campfire so you know what I'm on the

2863
02:04:04,450 --> 02:04:02,010
same page as you but instead of saying

2864
02:04:08,330 --> 02:04:04,460
ancient aliens I would say ancient

2865
02:04:11,420 --> 02:04:08,340
angelic principalities it's just you say

2866
02:04:12,130 --> 02:04:11,430
tomato I say tomahto well I guess they

2867
02:04:18,010 --> 02:04:12,140
were

2868
02:04:21,880 --> 02:04:18,020
as far as to us either way there's a DNA

2869
02:04:24,580 --> 02:04:21,890
manipulation that went on some years ago

2870
02:04:28,330 --> 02:04:24,590
that affected us to the point that there

2871
02:04:32,260 --> 02:04:28,340
was the necessity of a flood to wipe out

2872
02:04:36,910 --> 02:04:32,270
most of it sure I understand and then we

2873
02:04:40,630 --> 02:04:36,920
go on with further situations where

2874
02:04:44,050 --> 02:04:40,640
we've got tribes of the Anakim which are

2875
02:04:47,700 --> 02:04:44,060
probably an Anu Kai the Anakim and other

2876
02:04:51,040 --> 02:04:47,710
giant tribes that needed to be wiped out

2877
02:04:55,260 --> 02:04:51,050
by direction it was a bad seat they had

2878
02:04:57,850 --> 02:04:55,270
to go and we've got early people in

2879
02:05:02,020 --> 02:04:57,860
biblical history who took this upon

2880
02:05:04,510 --> 02:05:02,030
themselves to go and do this yeah I

2881
02:05:07,900 --> 02:05:04,520
don't know it's all pretty bewildering

2882
02:05:09,760 --> 02:05:07,910
but there's got to be something to the

2883
02:05:12,790 --> 02:05:09,770
myths and legends that have come down to

2884
02:05:14,890 --> 02:05:12,800
you know generations I I think there's

2885
02:05:17,650 --> 02:05:14,900
there's something a kernel of truth at

2886
02:05:20,970 --> 02:05:17,660
the core of many of these stories and

2887
02:05:23,170 --> 02:05:20,980
there's too many similarities between

2888
02:05:25,900 --> 02:05:23,180
versions cross-culturally around the

2889
02:05:27,880 --> 02:05:25,910
world it's just too coincidental for

2890
02:05:30,730 --> 02:05:27,890
there not to be some sort of germ of

2891
02:05:32,530 --> 02:05:30,740
truth somewhere at the core of these

2892
02:05:34,690 --> 02:05:32,540
traditions because there's there's

2893
02:05:37,060 --> 02:05:34,700
there's too many similarities so this is

2894
02:05:39,370 --> 02:05:37,070
the baby I have a big thing Chris and

2895
02:05:41,620 --> 02:05:39,380
that is that we have consistency of

2896
02:05:44,440 --> 02:05:41,630
these legends around the world it's not

2897
02:05:46,720 --> 02:05:44,450
as if you know one particular tribe or

2898
02:05:48,730 --> 02:05:46,730
something has a legend and another one

2899
02:05:51,250 --> 02:05:48,740
has a different legend it is similar

2900
02:05:53,710 --> 02:05:51,260
legends everywhere which leads you to

2901
02:05:55,270 --> 02:05:53,720
believe there was one some sort of

2902
02:05:57,840 --> 02:05:55,280
meeting of the minds among all these

2903
02:06:01,300 --> 02:05:57,850
early civilizations number two it's real

2904
02:06:04,450 --> 02:06:01,310
yeah well I always have come down on the

2905
02:06:07,960 --> 02:06:04,460
side of their being commonality there

2906
02:06:09,700 --> 02:06:07,970
being correlation at the core of many of

2907
02:06:11,650 --> 02:06:09,710
these traditions when I wrote the book

2908
02:06:13,600 --> 02:06:11,660
stalking the tricksters I went through

2909
02:06:15,100 --> 02:06:13,610
and looked at all the various trickster

2910
02:06:19,770 --> 02:06:15,110
forms from around the world and I was

2911
02:06:22,450 --> 02:06:19,780
absolutely amazed at the the variety and

2912
02:06:24,790 --> 02:06:22,460
similarities between a lot of these

2913
02:06:27,010 --> 02:06:24,800
traditional cultures version

2914
02:06:28,799 --> 02:06:27,020
these trickster forms and and I think

2915
02:06:32,290 --> 02:06:28,809
the same holds true into the paranormal

2916
02:06:37,240 --> 02:06:32,300
into the realm of crypto creatures and

2917
02:06:39,490 --> 02:06:37,250
fantastic phenomenal entities if you

2918
02:06:41,740 --> 02:06:39,500
will and there's too much similarity so

2919
02:06:43,089 --> 02:06:41,750
I think we need to factor out a lot of

2920
02:06:45,790 --> 02:06:43,099
these potential closed system

2921
02:06:48,819 --> 02:06:45,800
explanations before you know again we

2922
02:06:51,010 --> 02:06:48,829
jump off planet but that's just me Jane

2923
02:06:52,390 --> 02:06:51,020
I'm kind of weird that well I understand

2924
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ancient Egyptians in some place in

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Arizona in underground city and you have

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to wonder why go underground what were

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they doing why would they do this

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underground to hide this stuff or

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because they were protecting themselves

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from some kind of outside Cataclysm that

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would be my opinion is they were

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protecting themselves from some type of

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Cataclysm so that and the Hopi peoples

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yeah I mean this is one thing we

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discussed too with clifford mahooty and

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ron and so forth when you have oral

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tradition and you pass it on from

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generation to generation they get

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together every year and they tell the

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stories and they would say well Jo you

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didn't tell the story quite like that

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last year okay you know we're not on the

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same page anymore you know you told the

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story this way last year so oral

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tradition is checked up on every year

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with the elders this is something I this

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is something I try to understand with

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this situation how do you keep the

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stories the same year after year because

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when you tell something to eight

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consecutive people and each person term

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is asked to repeat even a very brief

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so entirely screwed up by the end of the

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eighth retelling that you have to wonder

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how the oral tradition survived

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generation after generation we'll get

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hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

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listening to the Peres Cass

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[Music]

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and we have JC Johnson with gene and

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Chris and we're talking about

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transferring the oral traditions so

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around the campfire JC you're saying

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they will test the accuracy year after

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year of these particular tales not

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around the campfire this is all done

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this is all done under very specific

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conditions these stories are taught the

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young people the young initiates this is

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a year's process many years go by before

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they're allowed to to actually recite

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these things in any sort of ceremonial

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way even the inflections of the words

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have to be correct okay so we're talking

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about a really intense training program

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and maybe we should have that in our

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schools these days so people can

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remember things better I'm serious I

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mean if Indian civilizations can

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remember things centuries thousands of

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years away and retain this tradition and

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convey the information accurately year

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after year because they're undergoing a

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training process as observers as

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reporters why can't we do that well

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that's what we're trying to do and it's

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because of the No Child Left Behind

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initiative we're now instead of teaching

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kids where what we're doing is we're

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forcing them to memorize so that they

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will just pare it back to the teacher on

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tests the exact answers there they have

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blinders on we're putting a dampening

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effect on creative thinking and outside

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of the box thinking and we're actually

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dumbing down our students because we're

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making them better test takers they're

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robots who could basically take tests

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they go out into the real world trying

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to apply that practical knowledge and

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problems arise exactly when I worked

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here with stage three productions here

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in Sedona we would get resumes and

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requests from newly graduated film

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students film school students from the

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zaky Gordon Institute and the few that

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we did hire we literally had to untrain

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them or uneducated and then train them

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how to do

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in the real world so there's two

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different there's two different

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paradigms going on here one is is an

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academic sort of approximation of the

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real world and you have the real world

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and unfortunately the two don't don't

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meet up in traditional indigenous

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cultures it's all one thing so you don't

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have that that sort of weird disconnect

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for lack of a better word so they knew

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how to educate their children all these

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years and then indigenous civilizations

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of among these people but we can't

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figure out how to do it with all our

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advanced technology an oral tradition

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tells us a lot of different things

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especially from Leonard Dan's oral

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tradition it goes far as far back is

3133
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remembering that at one time there were

3134
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two moons that's how far back from his

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clan the oral tradition has been

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repeated at one time there were two

3137
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moons and these were stories that his

3138
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grandfather told him how long ago are we

3139
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talking about here who knows who knows I

3140
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remember rolling up on Leonard an one

3141
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day we were doing a river trip and he

3142
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was in his kayak that we especially kind

3143
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of designed for him something blew up

3144
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out of the brush and this is some years

3145
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ago and I I heard it explode up out of

3146
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the brush and he kind of beached his

3147
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kayak a little bit put the nose up on

3148
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the shore and he was like kind of

3149
02:16:37,470 --> 02:16:35,500
peeking around looking around and I

3150
02:16:40,350 --> 02:16:37,480
rolled up on him ago what was that was

3151
02:16:42,629 --> 02:16:40,360
that a deer or an elk or what what the

3152
02:16:46,919 --> 02:16:42,639
hell was that cuz oh it was a Kokopelli

3153
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I'm going okay and later by the campfire

3154
02:16:52,049 --> 02:16:49,660
we got the rest of the river party down

3155
02:16:54,690 --> 02:16:52,059
we set up and got their tents put up and

3156
02:16:57,870 --> 02:16:54,700
everybody's all comfy and happy having a

3157
02:17:00,290 --> 02:16:57,880
few cold ones by the fire and I asked

3158
02:17:04,379 --> 02:17:00,300
him I said Kokopelli is the flute player

3159
02:17:08,299 --> 02:17:04,389
because no Kokopelli was the house pet

3160
02:17:12,480 --> 02:17:08,309
of the Anasazi and who named the Anasazi

3161
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the Naboo in these ancient enemy he said

3162
02:17:17,250 --> 02:17:15,219
they were particularly vicious little

3163
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creatures I said well it's the flu

3164
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player because no because that's the

3165
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tube that comes out of the back of their

3166
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throat to suck the blood of the victim

3167
02:17:31,259 --> 02:17:28,059
after they slash the jugular vein with

3168
02:17:33,929 --> 02:17:31,269
their claws on their front hands or

3169
02:17:37,580 --> 02:17:33,939
whatever okay we got vampires back in

3170
02:17:40,679 --> 02:17:37,590
this again we've got chupacabra

3171
02:17:44,040 --> 02:17:40,689
Kokopelli is chupacabra I'm saying it's

3172
02:17:46,110 --> 02:17:44,050
the vampire tradition yeah but you

3173
02:17:49,200 --> 02:17:46,120
imagine you know you come home and you

3174
02:17:50,730 --> 02:17:49,210
know what do you feed your Kokopelli

3175
02:17:55,080 --> 02:17:50,740
when you come back from work in your

3176
02:18:01,200 --> 02:17:55,090
fields all day of course you have to

3177
02:18:04,169 --> 02:18:01,210
walk the creature the food over at the

3178
02:18:07,080 --> 02:18:04,179
local supermarket but I was blown away

3179
02:18:09,750 --> 02:18:07,090
by his description of what Kokopelli

3180
02:18:12,570 --> 02:18:09,760
really was and it's unfortunate we get

3181
02:18:14,730 --> 02:18:12,580
two or three PhDs they get together and

3182
02:18:18,120 --> 02:18:14,740
decide something to sell it becomes fact

3183
02:18:20,040 --> 02:18:18,130
where we have no written history from

3184
02:18:22,019 --> 02:18:20,050
the Anasazi other than the rock drawings

3185
02:18:24,959 --> 02:18:22,029
they left us and they come to these

3186
02:18:28,400 --> 02:18:24,969
conclusions and Kokopelli 'he's been

3187
02:18:31,679 --> 02:18:28,410
romanticized as so many different things

3188
02:18:34,610 --> 02:18:31,689
one actually Kokopelli in my opinion

3189
02:18:37,620 --> 02:18:34,620
from Leonard's oral tradition is

3190
02:18:39,809 --> 02:18:37,630
chupacabra are they friendly dangerous

3191
02:18:41,879 --> 02:18:39,819
what do we say I think they're I think

3192
02:18:44,370 --> 02:18:41,889
they're very dangerous sucking your

3193
02:18:46,709 --> 02:18:44,380
blood I guess it would be well we've got

3194
02:18:49,500 --> 02:18:46,719
a lot of different outfits running some

3195
02:18:51,299 --> 02:18:49,510
cattle down along the San Juan River and

3196
02:18:54,809 --> 02:18:51,309
Leonard says they'll jump up on a cow's

3197
02:18:57,660 --> 02:18:54,819
back and ride him till they get

3198
02:19:01,049 --> 02:18:57,670
comfortable with him then they bust open

3199
02:19:02,820 --> 02:19:01,059
a vein and take the blood out and then

3200
02:19:05,339 --> 02:19:02,830
they will hold the vein till it

3201
02:19:07,379 --> 02:19:05,349
coagulates back together he said some of

3202
02:19:10,679 --> 02:19:07,389
these cattle coming into the

3203
02:19:14,280 --> 02:19:10,689
slaughterhouses if you look would have

3204
02:19:17,879 --> 02:19:14,290
dozens of scars on their back does that

3205
02:19:20,190 --> 02:19:17,889
convey some sort of disease no just

3206
02:19:22,530 --> 02:19:20,200
discards from the Kokopelli chupacabra

3207
02:19:24,209 --> 02:19:22,540
opening up the veins to get some blood

3208
02:19:26,219 --> 02:19:24,219
they're not basically bleeding the

3209
02:19:27,780 --> 02:19:26,229
creature dry just taking a little no

3210
02:19:28,960 --> 02:19:27,790
little slow that's what Leonard said

3211
02:19:30,691 --> 02:19:28,970
these ones are

3212
02:19:33,611 --> 02:19:30,701
you know you've got stuff down south

3213
02:19:36,581 --> 02:19:33,621
South America they go crazy and they rip

3214
02:19:39,041 --> 02:19:36,591
up 40 goats and suck them dry and take

3215
02:19:41,170 --> 02:19:39,051
off these ones are smarter yeah it's

3216
02:19:44,411 --> 02:19:41,180
like the Masai in Africa they'll they'll

3217
02:19:47,081 --> 02:19:44,421
walk for many miles with their herds of

3218
02:19:49,871 --> 02:19:47,091
cattle and they'll have selected cattle

3219
02:19:51,310 --> 02:19:49,881
where they they stop the herd and then

3220
02:19:52,930 --> 02:19:51,320
they'll they'll make a slit in the

3221
02:19:53,501 --> 02:19:52,940
jugular vein of the cow and they'll

3222
02:19:56,261 --> 02:19:53,511
drink

3223
02:19:58,270 --> 02:19:56,271
lunch and then put some mud and plaster

3224
02:19:59,041 --> 02:19:58,280
on it so that coagulates and then keep

3225
02:20:02,651 --> 02:19:59,051
walking

3226
02:20:04,331 --> 02:20:02,661
exactly sounds like smart creatures do

3227
02:20:07,600 --> 02:20:04,341
they do that with human beings too is it

3228
02:20:09,701 --> 02:20:07,610
just cattle I have no idea I have no

3229
02:20:12,071 --> 02:20:09,711
idea I've seen their tracks too and it

3230
02:20:15,371 --> 02:20:12,081
looks like a little baby's foot with

3231
02:20:17,381 --> 02:20:15,381
long three long toes and Leonard said

3232
02:20:19,720 --> 02:20:17,391
that they walk with the claws retracted

3233
02:20:22,511 --> 02:20:19,730
so I've never seen a track where you

3234
02:20:24,161 --> 02:20:22,521
know their claws were out but the bottom

3235
02:20:27,781 --> 02:20:24,171
feet that they have look it looks like a

3236
02:20:30,071 --> 02:20:27,791
baby's foot with three very longer toes

3237
02:20:31,841 --> 02:20:30,081
you're gonna scare everybody in the

3238
02:20:36,041 --> 02:20:31,851
audience out there from ever hanging out

3239
02:20:40,121 --> 02:20:36,051
in Farmington we're at the epicenter of

3240
02:20:43,211 --> 02:20:40,131
the high strange weirdness yeah you know

3241
02:20:45,041 --> 02:20:43,221
it's uh so it would appear okay so how

3242
02:20:48,701 --> 02:20:45,051
about just a plain ordinary flying

3243
02:20:50,591 --> 02:20:48,711
saucer I can't catch one what would be

3244
02:20:53,980 --> 02:20:50,601
caught anything what if you caught have

3245
02:20:58,480 --> 02:20:53,990
you caught anything seriously we're

3246
02:21:01,121 --> 02:20:58,490
involved some of us out here in a DNA

3247
02:21:03,821 --> 02:21:01,131
study where we've been able to produce

3248
02:21:07,631 --> 02:21:03,831
blood skin and hair and on another

3249
02:21:10,091 --> 02:21:07,641
situation some more blood for a very

3250
02:21:12,581 --> 02:21:10,101
large study that's going on probably at

3251
02:21:13,961 --> 02:21:12,591
this point with over 130 samples on a

3252
02:21:18,161 --> 02:21:13,971
global scale

3253
02:21:21,161 --> 02:21:18,171
so without physically catching Bigfoot

3254
02:21:24,191 --> 02:21:21,171
or a furry one as I call them we've

3255
02:21:26,621 --> 02:21:24,201
contributed to something that's going to

3256
02:21:29,171 --> 02:21:26,631
reveal that we're sharing this planet

3257
02:21:31,930 --> 02:21:29,181
with something we can't explain I think

3258
02:21:34,871 --> 02:21:31,940
that's really what it comes down to but

3259
02:21:36,911 --> 02:21:34,881
we've got their DNA got you okay that's

3260
02:21:38,831 --> 02:21:36,921
the Bigfoot but what about the UFOs I

3261
02:21:41,621 --> 02:21:38,841
can't catch one okay

3262
02:21:42,520 --> 02:21:41,631
I can't catch one I'm I'm curious I mean

3263
02:21:44,680 --> 02:21:42,530
we look at all

3264
02:21:48,131 --> 02:21:44,690
of wonder wondrous things going on in

3265
02:21:52,570 --> 02:21:48,141
the night sky and we wonder is that ours

3266
02:21:56,080 --> 02:21:52,580
is that theirs is that them whose to

3267
02:21:58,560 --> 02:21:56,090
them we don't know okay I can't fly up

3268
02:22:01,570 --> 02:21:58,570
there and catch one so I'm my interest

3269
02:22:03,310 --> 02:22:01,580
things going on in the night sky are

3270
02:22:05,381 --> 02:22:03,320
probably a lot less than most people

3271
02:22:07,421 --> 02:22:05,391
you're fascinated but you can't catch it

3272
02:22:09,011 --> 02:22:07,431
because you can't catch it you can't put

3273
02:22:11,200 --> 02:22:09,021
your fingers on it you can't take DNA

3274
02:22:13,810 --> 02:22:11,210
samples maybe you're not quite as

3275
02:22:16,390 --> 02:22:13,820
interested we have JC Johnson with gene

3276
02:22:25,100 --> 02:22:16,400
and Chris for one more segment you're in

3277
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light the burka guy is also offering a

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set of fluoride and arsenic filters for

3351
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only $39.99 that's over 30 percent off

3352
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the retail price

3353
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3354
02:25:31,131 --> 02:25:28,980
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3355
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3356
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3357
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3358
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3359
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3360
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3361
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3362
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cholesterol it did for Karen I've been

3363
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using heart and body extract for

3364
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approximately two weeks I've had an ear

3365
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wax buildup problems for many years with

3366
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over-the-counter stuff not working at

3367
02:26:01,730 --> 02:25:59,130
all I had very poor hearing due to this

3368
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ear wax buildup well after two weeks of

3369
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taking heart and body extract my ear wax

3370
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buildup almost completely cleared up

3371
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could this be the effect of better body

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3376
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my hearing is almost completely back to

3377
02:26:26,180 --> 02:26:23,340
normal order by calling eight six six

3378
02:26:29,360 --> 02:26:26,190
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3379
02:26:31,940 --> 02:26:29,370
at HB extract calm that's eight sixty

3380
02:26:35,121 --> 02:26:31,950
six two nine five five three zero five

3381
02:26:43,720 --> 02:26:35,131
or HB extract calm heart and body

3382
02:26:55,871 --> 02:26:53,621
this is the wrong we have JC Johnson and

3383
02:26:57,940 --> 02:26:55,881
as far as UFOs are concerned or flying

3384
02:27:00,610 --> 02:26:57,950
saucers or whatever you care to call it

3385
02:27:03,881 --> 02:27:00,620
he's not quite as interested because he

3386
02:27:06,070 --> 02:27:03,891
can't reach up and touch that thing well

3387
02:27:08,621 --> 02:27:06,080
gene I wonder where JC comes down on the

3388
02:27:11,591 --> 02:27:08,631
Aztec crash having lived in that area

3389
02:27:16,091 --> 02:27:11,601
for decades what is your feeling about

3390
02:27:18,961 --> 02:27:16,101
the 1949 Aztec crash that is being

3391
02:27:23,411 --> 02:27:18,971
covered in Scott Ramsay's new book

3392
02:27:25,810 --> 02:27:23,421
there's just nothing grows nothing grows

3393
02:27:28,360 --> 02:27:25,820
not since the whatever happened there

3394
02:27:30,970 --> 02:27:28,370
nothing grows and they do tours out

3395
02:27:33,041 --> 02:27:30,980
there and things like that something to

3396
02:27:35,530 --> 02:27:33,051
happen there something interesting

3397
02:27:37,720 --> 02:27:35,540
happened there was it one of our things

3398
02:27:38,320 --> 02:27:37,730
something we were working on that

3399
02:27:41,560 --> 02:27:38,330
crashed

3400
02:27:43,511 --> 02:27:41,570
I don't know but nothing grows there the

3401
02:27:46,390 --> 02:27:43,521
whole area that they're talking about

3402
02:27:49,511 --> 02:27:46,400
it's null and void of any kind of life

3403
02:27:52,711 --> 02:27:49,521
or vegetation to this day how far are

3404
02:27:57,011 --> 02:27:52,721
you from Aztec about twelve miles oh

3405
02:27:59,711 --> 02:27:57,021
okay now do the people in Aztec talk

3406
02:28:02,291 --> 02:27:59,721
about this case some of the old timers

3407
02:28:04,421 --> 02:28:02,301
still talk about it and they've all been

3408
02:28:06,341 --> 02:28:04,431
in books and everything else and there's

3409
02:28:11,171 --> 02:28:06,351
a lot of tight-lipped things going on

3410
02:28:14,020 --> 02:28:11,181
out there also this was I guess last

3411
02:28:16,001 --> 02:28:14,030
year they cancelled the UFO convention

3412
02:28:18,520 --> 02:28:16,011
that they normally have there they

3413
02:28:19,930 --> 02:28:18,530
cancel it right and start getting a

3414
02:28:22,841 --> 02:28:19,940
little new agey and they couldn't

3415
02:28:25,211 --> 02:28:22,851
attract the the folks to travel all the

3416
02:28:27,070 --> 02:28:25,221
way there I'm really tolerant of people

3417
02:28:29,020 --> 02:28:27,080
wearing tin foil hats right I don't have

3418
02:28:30,610 --> 02:28:29,030
a problem with that it's okay it's all

3419
02:28:36,131 --> 02:28:30,620
right you would have loved the mystic

3420
02:28:39,911 --> 02:28:36,141
barber he wore the tinfoil thing to ward

3421
02:28:42,671 --> 02:28:39,921
off evil aliens and DeRose he really did

3422
02:28:45,940 --> 02:28:42,681
I wonder if you could wear a tinfoil hat

3423
02:28:48,280 --> 02:28:45,950
and ward off the infrasound from

3424
02:28:51,791 --> 02:28:48,290
sasquatch that's interesting

3425
02:28:55,180 --> 02:28:51,801
think about that the wet sound the

3426
02:28:56,401 --> 02:28:55,190
infrasound or the mind speak or as Matt

3427
02:29:00,621 --> 02:28:56,411
moneymaker says

3428
02:29:02,821 --> 02:29:00,631
getting zapped hmm that's interesting

3429
02:29:04,501 --> 02:29:02,831
probably make it bounce around inside

3430
02:29:07,501 --> 02:29:04,511
your skull all that much more

3431
02:29:10,470 --> 02:29:07,511
that's probably worse and my my brain is

3432
02:29:15,180 --> 02:29:10,480
beer-soaked as it is it's not gonna

3433
02:29:16,680 --> 02:29:15,190
bounce around too much yeah just kind of

3434
02:29:18,991 --> 02:29:16,690
slosh around it's not going anywhere

3435
02:29:21,751 --> 02:29:19,001
they got me in the line between the legs

3436
02:29:24,751 --> 02:29:21,761
that's the last time I got zapped and I

3437
02:29:26,311 --> 02:29:24,761
woke up in the morning and if I was

3438
02:29:28,951 --> 02:29:26,321
gonna say I got zapped or whatever

3439
02:29:31,981 --> 02:29:28,961
whatever it is that's going on with your

3440
02:29:34,470 --> 02:29:31,991
brain when they rewire your brain and a

3441
02:29:37,861 --> 02:29:34,480
lot of the Native American descriptions

3442
02:29:41,881 --> 02:29:37,871
of Sasquatch the name translates down to

3443
02:29:44,101 --> 02:29:41,891
the one who makes you forget and I've

3444
02:29:47,191 --> 02:29:44,111
been zapped a few times this is their

3445
02:29:48,811 --> 02:29:47,201
version of the neuralyzer I think so the

3446
02:29:51,001 --> 02:29:48,821
neuralyzer ladies and gentlemen is the

3447
02:29:55,051 --> 02:29:51,011
device they use in the men in black

3448
02:29:58,261 --> 02:29:55,061
movies all three of them to wipe your

3449
02:29:59,791 --> 02:29:58,271
brain clear of what you saw well I don't

3450
02:30:01,621 --> 02:29:59,801
know what happened to me I'm out Shasta

3451
02:30:07,591 --> 02:30:01,631
but I don't remember probably 20 minutes

3452
02:30:09,841 --> 02:30:07,601
thirty minutes and you're not a crazy

3453
02:30:12,511 --> 02:30:09,851
man you not all these other things you

3454
02:30:16,231 --> 02:30:12,521
got zapped as Matt moneymaker would say

3455
02:30:20,131 --> 02:30:16,241
you got zapped I've seen Igor poor sev

3456
02:30:22,861 --> 02:30:20,141
in a video where he was up in Washington

3457
02:30:25,711 --> 02:30:22,871
State and he had to move off this trail

3458
02:30:27,631 --> 02:30:25,721
because he was getting zapped and they

3459
02:30:29,720 --> 02:30:27,641
ran him down the trail and I do you feel

3460
02:30:33,121 --> 02:30:29,730
better and I said yeah yeah but he knew

3461
02:30:34,531 --> 02:30:33,131
what was happening to him well I don't

3462
02:30:37,951 --> 02:30:34,541
know what happened to me but it scared

3463
02:30:40,441 --> 02:30:37,961
the feces out of me oh boy got real

3464
02:30:41,251 --> 02:30:40,451
close there and you have to kind of

3465
02:30:45,631 --> 02:30:41,261
think here

3466
02:30:46,591 --> 02:30:45,641
that's just like missing time exactly

3467
02:30:48,841 --> 02:30:46,601
ooh

3468
02:30:51,151 --> 02:30:48,851
we said it at the same time exact

3469
02:30:53,551 --> 02:30:51,161
exactly exactly see it's also

3470
02:30:56,671 --> 02:30:53,561
synchronicity ladies and gentlemen that

3471
02:30:58,561 --> 02:30:56,681
these two people widely apart in terms

3472
02:31:00,930 --> 02:30:58,571
of distance not that far apart are

3473
02:31:03,301 --> 02:31:00,940
saying the same thing at the same time

3474
02:31:05,220 --> 02:31:03,311
not visually seeing each other all you

3475
02:31:07,831 --> 02:31:05,230
can see basically when you connect I

3476
02:31:08,161 --> 02:31:07,841
have Chris's picture from about 40 years

3477
02:31:10,050 --> 02:31:08,171
ago

3478
02:31:12,330 --> 02:31:10,060
I have JC

3479
02:31:15,090 --> 02:31:12,340
with the glasses or everything Chris's

3480
02:31:16,620 --> 02:31:15,100
picture is a question mark oh you see

3481
02:31:19,319 --> 02:31:16,630
the question Morgan I see a real picture

3482
02:31:21,330 --> 02:31:19,329
it makes you wonder that's right why are

3483
02:31:23,580 --> 02:31:21,340
they different it makes you wonder this

3484
02:31:27,660 --> 02:31:23,590
is a mystery here who is Chris O'Brien

3485
02:31:29,399 --> 02:31:27,670
is he really a suit ooh that makes you

3486
02:31:31,439 --> 02:31:29,409
think - that's right

3487
02:31:33,420 --> 02:31:31,449
I've been called a lot of things but I

3488
02:31:35,819 --> 02:31:33,430
hate it when I get called late for

3489
02:31:37,769 --> 02:31:35,829
dinner but the last time I got zapped

3490
02:31:40,260 --> 02:31:37,779
was in line between the likes and

3491
02:31:43,679 --> 02:31:40,270
Kentucky back in June of last year

3492
02:31:48,389 --> 02:31:43,689
and I got up in the morning and I got

3493
02:31:51,210 --> 02:31:48,399
hammered hammered and if I tried to

3494
02:31:54,139 --> 02:31:51,220
fight it normally what I'll do is I play

3495
02:31:58,410 --> 02:31:54,149
the Rolling Stones and my my onboard

3496
02:31:59,939 --> 02:31:58,420
iPad you know that's in my brain I start

3497
02:32:02,819 --> 02:31:59,949
cranking out the Rolling Stones or

3498
02:32:06,389 --> 02:32:02,829
something and I block it they got me and

3499
02:32:09,540 --> 02:32:06,399
they got me bad I mean I had to accept

3500
02:32:12,030 --> 02:32:09,550
my 10th and I had everything coming out

3501
02:32:15,210 --> 02:32:12,040
of all exits by the time I got to the

3502
02:32:19,139 --> 02:32:15,220
back of the woods they got me they

3503
02:32:21,149 --> 02:32:19,149
hammered me how I pads to get into the

3504
02:32:23,700 --> 02:32:21,159
equation everywhere everybody's got an

3505
02:32:25,979 --> 02:32:23,710
iPad the local rental office at the

3506
02:32:29,040 --> 02:32:25,989
complex where I live they're getting

3507
02:32:31,800 --> 02:32:29,050
iPads now well I have an iPad built into

3508
02:32:33,840 --> 02:32:31,810
my brain oh is that when I when when

3509
02:32:35,939 --> 02:32:33,850
they're trying to zap me I start playing

3510
02:32:38,250 --> 02:32:35,949
The Rolling Stones or something any

3511
02:32:45,300 --> 02:32:38,260
particular song I push them up sympathy

3512
02:32:51,059 --> 02:32:45,310
for the devil or something she's so cold

3513
02:32:53,130 --> 02:32:51,069
that's a good song right and I'm so in

3514
02:32:55,590 --> 02:32:53,140
it it freaks him I was like why is he

3515
02:32:59,059 --> 02:32:55,600
playing this and we can't get to him now

3516
02:33:02,309 --> 02:32:59,069
but they got me thing ding ding ding

3517
02:33:03,630 --> 02:33:02,319
ding ding once they got me they got me I

3518
02:33:06,059 --> 02:33:03,640
don't want to see what they're drinking

3519
02:33:07,319 --> 02:33:06,069
at this point in this show yeah you're

3520
02:33:08,370 --> 02:33:07,329
talking about getting up in the morning

3521
02:33:11,099 --> 02:33:08,380
and being hammered

3522
02:33:14,309 --> 02:33:11,109
they got me hammered - have you had a

3523
02:33:17,099 --> 02:33:14,319
heck of a party the night before no no

3524
02:33:19,859 --> 02:33:17,109
on location we're on location

3525
02:33:22,200 --> 02:33:19,869
I couldn't resist that's ok I saw you in

3526
02:33:23,920 --> 02:33:22,210
action the devil made him do it

3527
02:33:25,450 --> 02:33:23,930
no he's

3528
02:33:27,580 --> 02:33:25,460
all business when he's out in the field

3529
02:33:29,650 --> 02:33:27,590
this was our first chance to really get

3530
02:33:32,260 --> 02:33:29,660
out and explore together or during our

3531
02:33:34,080 --> 02:33:32,270
recent trip and and I could tell JC's

3532
02:33:36,670 --> 02:33:34,090
spent a lot of time in the outdoors and

3533
02:33:39,010 --> 02:33:36,680
just has a natural sense about him when

3534
02:33:44,740 --> 02:33:39,020
it comes to new in different places and

3535
02:33:46,719 --> 02:33:44,750
and rather strident conditions I'll tell

3536
02:33:48,099 --> 02:33:46,729
you I've always wondered what it would

3537
02:33:50,200 --> 02:33:48,109
be like to be in the world's largest

3538
02:33:52,840 --> 02:33:50,210
blow-dryer and I found out when we were

3539
02:33:56,290 --> 02:33:52,850
out there that day I mean we're talking

3540
02:33:59,139 --> 02:33:56,300
40 50 mile-an-hour steady wind and it's

3541
02:34:02,110 --> 02:33:59,149
like almost 95 degrees out but we

3542
02:34:04,410 --> 02:34:02,120
adapted to every situation that's when

3543
02:34:06,849 --> 02:34:04,420
you have a successful outing or

3544
02:34:08,530 --> 02:34:06,859
expedition is when you adapt to

3545
02:34:10,929 --> 02:34:08,540
everything and we did we all pulled

3546
02:34:13,210 --> 02:34:10,939
together this is how this works let's do

3547
02:34:15,910 --> 02:34:13,220
this let's try that and if that doesn't

3548
02:34:18,189 --> 02:34:15,920
work then we put our minds together and

3549
02:34:21,490 --> 02:34:18,199
we try something else you know just

3550
02:34:24,550 --> 02:34:21,500
getting shade was it jamming oh my god

3551
02:34:25,990 --> 02:34:24,560
Oh shade was I mean it's it's a good

3552
02:34:27,670 --> 02:34:26,000
thing we didn't try to camp further out

3553
02:34:34,599 --> 02:34:27,680
boy I'll tell you we were all walking

3554
02:34:36,670 --> 02:34:34,609
commercials for chapstick chapstick

3555
02:34:38,860 --> 02:34:36,680
Gatorade let's send the salespeople

3556
02:34:43,210 --> 02:34:38,870
after them and maybe get him on the next

3557
02:34:46,150 --> 02:34:43,220
show to sponsor us right well poor Ron

3558
02:34:48,130 --> 02:34:46,160
Regehr now we we need to shout out to

3559
02:34:49,870 --> 02:34:48,140
him the day after he got back he

3560
02:34:51,400 --> 02:34:49,880
discovered he had a detached retina

3561
02:34:55,150 --> 02:34:51,410
which he had to have surgically

3562
02:34:56,800 --> 02:34:55,160
reattached it was it was it was I mean

3563
02:34:59,650 --> 02:34:56,810
we were talking real rigorous conditions

3564
02:35:02,170 --> 02:34:59,660
out there and I'm glad I didn't bring a

3565
02:35:03,790 --> 02:35:02,180
certain girl friend of mine out there

3566
02:35:07,120 --> 02:35:03,800
because you'd be looking for a new

3567
02:35:08,320 --> 02:35:07,130
girlfriend I think so or I'd be looking

3568
02:35:10,420 --> 02:35:08,330
for her because she would have crawled

3569
02:35:15,630 --> 02:35:10,430
under some rock somewhere to escape the

3570
02:35:19,530 --> 02:35:15,640
wind in the Sun oh we came out unscathed

3571
02:35:21,250 --> 02:35:19,540
except Ron with a detached retina

3572
02:35:23,019 --> 02:35:21,260
happened here let me start the

3573
02:35:26,679 --> 02:35:23,029
conspiracy theory before we wrap it up

3574
02:35:29,740 --> 02:35:26,689
it's not Chris and JC that's here it's

3575
02:35:31,960 --> 02:35:29,750
the replacements JC Johnson tell our

3576
02:35:33,519 --> 02:35:31,970
listeners where they can find more of

3577
02:35:37,370 --> 02:35:33,529
your stuff assuming you're not a

3578
02:35:40,000 --> 02:35:37,380
replacement I've replaced JC Johnson he

3579
02:35:42,080 --> 02:35:40,010
in an underground facility that's

3580
02:35:45,200 --> 02:35:42,090
thousands of years old

3581
02:35:47,389 --> 02:35:45,210
thousands of years anyway you can find

3582
02:35:51,679 --> 02:35:47,399
me on Facebook JC Johnson you can go to

3583
02:35:57,190 --> 02:35:51,689
our crypto four corners CR y PT o fo you

3584
02:36:00,650 --> 02:35:57,200
are cor and e RS crypto for corners on

3585
02:36:04,520 --> 02:36:00,660
YouTube find us there find me on

3586
02:36:07,100 --> 02:36:04,530
Facebook and open up a dialog and we

3587
02:36:10,700 --> 02:36:07,110
probably at this point I've got 32

3588
02:36:13,429 --> 02:36:10,710
public videos of research actually on

3589
02:36:16,520 --> 02:36:13,439
scene forensic situations where we've

3590
02:36:19,250 --> 02:36:16,530
got horrible animal mutilations going on

3591
02:36:22,010 --> 02:36:19,260
so much more with JC Johnson Chris

3592
02:36:25,190 --> 02:36:22,020
O'Brien site our strange planet calm in

3593
02:36:26,840 --> 02:36:25,200
the final stages of a big makeover you

3594
02:36:30,260 --> 02:36:26,850
can check us out the power cast com

3595
02:36:32,719 --> 02:36:30,270
that's the power cast calm on Twitter we

3596
02:36:34,490 --> 02:36:32,729
are the power cast we also have a fan

3597
02:36:36,080 --> 02:36:34,500
club on Facebook we're all over the

3598
02:36:39,020 --> 02:36:36,090
place aren't we

3599
02:36:41,179 --> 02:36:39,030
this has been a fascinating entertaining

3600
02:36:44,420 --> 02:36:41,189
session thank you so much Chris for

3601
02:36:46,130 --> 02:36:44,430
saying this up JC Johnson thank you for

3602
02:36:53,920 --> 02:36:46,140
joining us this week on the power cast

3603
02:37:00,320 --> 02:36:57,410
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3604
02:37:03,310 --> 02:37:00,330
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3605
02:37:07,040 --> 02:37:03,320
presentation of making the impossible